Halves help w/ bet ramp and RoR!!

[johnnyb]

I've started using Halves about three to four weeks ago and obviously read Wong's Professional Blackjack. So far, the addition and subtraction of the card values have proven to be somewhat difficult, and this is fairly obvious due to its level of complexity. However, this has not frightened me in any way. I know that with enough practice, the system will become automatic. Once I am actually ready for my first session, which is still not going to be for a while, I'd like to know how to get the best performance out of the session BR I'm going to have, my betting ramp, and the RoR I play with. If anyone could help, I'd like to know an optimal bet ramp (to minimize RoR) and the RoR I play with for playing a $1,000 session and a $2,000 session where I wong-in at a TC>=+1 and wong-out at a TC<+1.

Rules:
6D, 70%-80% Pen
S17, RSA, DAS, NS

Sidenote: For anyone that's wondering why I'm using Halves, there are ONLY shoe games in my area, and I want to attain the biggest advantage I can!

Any help is appreciated.

 

[FLASH1296]

What does this mean?

"… for playing a $1,000 session and a $2,000 session.

 

[johnnyb]

What does this mean?

"… for playing a $1,000 session and a $2,000 session.

I meant if I were to take two separate trips to a casino. One trip with $1,000, and another with $2,000. What would my optimized betting ramp be for these two separate occasions and the RoR that come with each?

Much appreciated.

EDIT: Let's say a 4-5 hour session.

 

[FLASH1296]

Your Optimal Strategy is to STAY HOME.

You are NOT sufficiently capitalized for even a $10 table.

 

[MrSmith]

Your Optimal Strategy is to STAY HOME.

You are NOT sufficiently capitalized for even a $10 table.

I ran your information thru CVCX. With the above advice in mind here are the numbers you requested based on Wong Halves with Sweet16 and Fab4.

$1000 bankroll
Table min $10
10-1 spread
90 hands/hr estimate
75%PEN
Overall, with a play-all strategy your RoR 79.1%. With backcounting at +1 your RoR is 48.5%.
Infinite goal with a 5 hour session the RoR is 1.045%
Win/Hour = $12.26
Optimal bet ramp
TC1 = 10
TC2 = 20
TC3 = 30
TC4 = 40
TC5 = 50
TC6 = 70
TC7 = 80
TC8 = 90
TC9 = 100

$2000 bankroll your overall RoR is 23.5% with backcounting at +1.
Infinite goal with a 5 hour session your RoR is roughly 0.00%
Bet ramps remain the same.

Good luck

 

[tthree]

He has access to $5 tables with good rules and pen. He has some dealers giving better than 80% pen.

 

[blackjack avenger]

counting halves

Once you can identify what the cards are then start counting slllowly, if you error don't shuffle but repeat.

Speed will come naturally

Possibly once under 52 seconds. Start working on 2 card combos, important with halves

I would not bet $100 if it gets a checks play call, top off at 75, 80 & occasional 90 till you have more money.

You picked the best count for shoes & DD without a side count.

You do seem short of cash, 1,000 is not enough for a session

 

[johnnyb]

I ran your information thru CVCX. With the above advice in mind here are the numbers you requested based on Wong Halves with Sweet16 and Fab4.

$1000 bankroll
Table min $10
10-1 spread
90 hands/hr estimate
75%PEN
Overall, with a play-all strategy your RoR 79.1%. With backcounting at +1 your RoR is 48.5%.
Infinite goal with a 5 hour session the RoR is 1.045%
Win/Hour = $12.26
Optimal bet ramp
TC1 = 10
TC2 = 20
TC3 = 30
TC4 = 40
TC5 = 50
TC6 = 70
TC7 = 80
TC8 = 90
TC9 = 100

$2000 bankroll your overall RoR is 23.5% with backcounting at +1.
Infinite goal with a 5 hour session your RoR is roughly 0.00%
Bet ramps remain the same.

Good luck

Thanks for running the numbers for me MrSmith, much is appreciated. When you get a chance, could you or anyone run it again for a $5 minimum table? It's not your fault, I forgot to mention that tidbit of information. It was never in my intentions to play a $10 minimum table. Please get back to me on this.

Thanks a bunch.:cat:

 

[johnnyb]

He has access to $5 tables with good rules and pen. He has some dealers giving better than 80% pen.

Yes, please sim with around 83.33% penetration MrSmith or anyone else. :grin:

 

[johnnyb]

Once you can identify what the cards are then start counting slllowly, if you error don't shuffle but repeat.

Speed will come naturally

Possibly once under 52 seconds. Start working on 2 card combos, important with halves

I would not bet $100 if it gets a checks play call, top off at 75, 80 & occasional 90 till you have more money.

You picked the best count for shoes & DD without a side count.

You do seem short of cash, 1,000 is not enough for a session

Thanks for the advice. What do you think about a $5 minimum table??

 

[MrSmith]

Yes, please sim with around 83.33% penetration MrSmith or anyone else. :grin:

Here ya go.
83%PEN
$5 min
$1000 bankroll
5 hour session
Optimal Ramp
TC1 = 5
TC2 = 10
TC3 = 15
TC4 = 20
TC5 = 25
TC6 = 30
TC7 = 35
TC8 = 35 (not a typo)
TC9 = 40
TC10 = 45
TC11 = 50
Overall RoR is 19.0%.
5 hour trip RoR is 0.00%

$2000 bankroll
Overall RoR is 3.6%
Spread 1-12 for RoR of 4.9% overall
Session RoR remains essentially 0%
Bet ramp changes for 1-12 spread are:
TC6 = 35
TC7 = 40
TC8 = 45
TC9 = 50
TC10 = 55
TC11 = 60

That's all I can do for you. If you want more you should invest in the program. Best of luck.

 

[johnnyb]

Here ya go.
83%PEN
$5 min
$1000 bankroll
5 hour session
Optimal Ramp
TC1 = 5
TC2 = 10
TC3 = 15
TC4 = 20
TC5 = 25
TC6 = 30
TC7 = 35
TC8 = 35 (not a typo)
TC9 = 40
TC10 = 45
TC11 = 50
Overall RoR is 19.0%.
5 hour trip RoR is 0.00%

$2000 bankroll
Overall RoR is 3.6%
Spread 1-12 for RoR of 4.9% overall
Session RoR remains essentially 0%
Bet ramp changes for 1-12 spread are:
TC6 = 35
TC7 = 40
TC8 = 45
TC9 = 50
TC10 = 55
TC11 = 60

That's all I can do for you. If you want more you should invest in the program. Best of luck.

I really appreciate your help with the simming of my situation and thanks for your time. I plan on investing in it very soon, and I know I should have bought it a long time ago but I just haven't had the extra cash just yet. Slowly but surely in the near future I will.

 

[MrSmith]

You're very welcome. I hope your trip goes well.

 

[Freightman]

I've started using Halves about three to four weeks ago and obviously read Wong's Professional Blackjack. So far, the addition and subtraction of the card values have proven to be somewhat difficult, and this is fairly obvious due to its level of complexity. However, this has not frightened me in any way. I know that with enough practice, the system will become automatic. Once I am actually ready for my first session, which is still not going to be for a while, I'd like to know how to get the best performance out of the session BR I'm going to have, my betting ramp, and the RoR I play with. If anyone could help, I'd like to know an optimal bet ramp (to minimize RoR) and the RoR I play with for playing a $1,000 session and a $2,000 session where I wong-in at a TC>=+1 and wong-out at a TC<+1.

Rules:
6D, 70%-80% Pen
S17, RSA, DAS, NS

Sidenote: For anyone that's wondering why I'm using Halves, there are ONLY shoe games in my area, and I want to attain the biggest advantage I can!

Any help is appreciated.

Comments and final comment probably contrary to popular opinion
1. The pen is lousy
2. Your not sufficiently capitalized
3. You don't know halves well enough - btw - a great system.
4. You need some experience in the trenches - which leads to my controversial suggestion
5. Get some actual casino counting experience - don't worry about making money - just flat bet or spread 1x min to 2 or 3xmin. If your any good you should get close to breaking even.

Once your semi serious - get sufficiently capitalized to ramp 1 unit per increase in TC and eventually spread to 2x 6 units. If your any good - should yield you 1 to 1.5 units per hour. Once you have developed a STRONG bankroll, then get some simulation software and start doing some serious ramping.

Good luck

 

[tthree]

Comments and final comment probably contrary to popular opinion
1. The pen is lousy
2. Your not sufficiently capitalized
3. You don't know halves well enough - btw - a great system.
4. You need some experience in the trenches - which leads to my controversial suggestion
5. Get some actual casino counting experience - don't worry about making money - just flat bet or spread 1x min to 2 or 3xmin. If your any good you should get close to breaking even.

Once your semi serious - get sufficiently capitalized to ramp 1 unit per increase in TC and eventually spread to 2x 6 units. If your any good - should yield you 1 to 1.5 units per hour. Once you have developed a STRONG bankroll, then get some simulation software and start doing some serious ramping.

Good luck

That's good advice Freightman. Don't worry , I have talked a lot with him and he is not over eager. He wants to be adequately prepared before he tries much gambling. I have also advised him on spreading to 2 hands and adequate BR. Maybe a few others cautioning being over eager to get in there. He seems to want to be perfect before getting serious about a lot of play. In the mean time he can grow his bankroll to a more adequate size.