The index for surrender shows that I am supposed to surrender hard 17 vs Dealer EVERYTIME the dealer shows an A. I don't mind this play at all but would this be a "suspicious" play in terms of Casino Personnel... I did this the other night and it caused all sorts of unwanted attention to me. I am looking for longevity so should I just stay .. what kind of cost mistake is this if I stay?
Hard 17 vs Dealer A... heat?
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Hey PB look at what this idiot wants to do
Im not sure that is the correct play. I dont even have an index for that one. The dealer calls out "stupid " plays not to indicate a possible counter but to have the pit involved so you dont say, I didnt do that what kind of idiot would do that. Unfortunately some AP moves raise this red flag. We just hope the pit thinks we are "stupid". This move by a player is called taking a free shot. It only works once a sitting. This call out is trying to make that once into 0 times.
Im not sure that is the correct play. I dont even have an index for that one. The dealer calls out "stupid " plays not to indicate a possible counter but to have the pit involved so you dont say, I didnt do that what kind of idiot would do that. Unfortunately some AP moves raise this red flag. We just hope the pit thinks we are "stupid". This move by a player is called taking a free shot. It only works once a sitting. This call out is trying to make that once into 0 times.
My accidental free shot
I was playing at the Marina in AC. I had been asked to go there so a fellow gambler could cash his match plays around tournaments he was in. I was tired but it always seems like the Marina is lucky for me so I went. I was winning as usual but having trouble focusing as I kept getting more tired.
I was at third base and when the dealer came to me I thought hit but waved off by mistake. When the card wasnt heading for my hand I started saying loudly, Woe, woe woe!!!! The card went to the dealers hand anyway. I was thinking well its time to go to bed you just messed up a win.
The dealer calls the PB over. Im keep saying I made a mistake Im ready to pay the price. I did point out no one stands in that situation.They told me they had procedures they had to follow in these sorts of situations and gave me the OPTION to take the card. It made my hand so of course I said yes. I won and tipped the dealer because he insisted on calling over the PB.
Not everyone was happy with the change of fortune. Two players went from winners to losers. The PB wasnt sympathetic to their cause.
I was playing at the Marina in AC. I had been asked to go there so a fellow gambler could cash his match plays around tournaments he was in. I was tired but it always seems like the Marina is lucky for me so I went. I was winning as usual but having trouble focusing as I kept getting more tired.
I was at third base and when the dealer came to me I thought hit but waved off by mistake. When the card wasnt heading for my hand I started saying loudly, Woe, woe woe!!!! The card went to the dealers hand anyway. I was thinking well its time to go to bed you just messed up a win.
The dealer calls the PB over. Im keep saying I made a mistake Im ready to pay the price. I did point out no one stands in that situation.They told me they had procedures they had to follow in these sorts of situations and gave me the OPTION to take the card. It made my hand so of course I said yes. I won and tipped the dealer because he insisted on calling over the PB.
Not everyone was happy with the change of fortune. Two players went from winners to losers. The PB wasnt sympathetic to their cause.
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Surrendering hard 17 vs. dealer's A is only correct for EARLY surrender, which is very rarely played at any casino. Depending upon where you play, they probably offer LATE surrender. Check the rules where you play.
BTW; even though it's incorrect to do with late surrender, it's actually a pretty close play. You didn't give up MUCH equity.
BTW; even though it's incorrect to do with late surrender, it's actually a pretty close play. You didn't give up MUCH equity.
Friendo
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It's the correct play for H17 - see the basic strategy engine on this site.
I do it in the places I play, even when I have to wave my hands to get the dealer to notice me: "Yo - I'm gonna surrender that one!"
It doesn't strike me as a poor play from a cover standpoint, because, as you can see from other comments here, some of us have trouble remembering that it's the correct play. :laugh:
I do it in the places I play, even when I have to wave my hands to get the dealer to notice me: "Yo - I'm gonna surrender that one!"
It doesn't strike me as a poor play from a cover standpoint, because, as you can see from other comments here, some of us have trouble remembering that it's the correct play. :laugh:
Gamblor
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Supposedly back in the day they considered hitting 12 v 2 an expert move. Maybe by now pit crews are used to seeing 17 v A surrenders. The best way to know this is if some percentage of ploppies do it. Personally I've never played a H17, LS game so wouldn't know.
Pfft no one doubles A8 v 6 in a H17 game, but I do it all the time. And get the ploppies angry at me.
Pfft no one doubles A8 v 6 in a H17 game, but I do it all the time. And get the ploppies angry at me.
That's sooo funny you mentioned doubling A8 vs 6 cause I just did that the other night and I "Saved the table..." lol... all the ploppies were in awe about the play and the dealer was a friend of mine from outside the casino and he said... "don't worry.. he knows what he is doing.. " rofl.. gotta love ploppies... it's a love hate relationship... they love you when they win and hate you when they lose... its about 45% love 55% hate... :grin:
On a side note.. I did surrender my 17 vs Dealer A showing and third base stays on 20 and dealer pulls A A 10 3 10 BUSTO!... lol.. now i just look like the village idiot .. GOTTA LOVE IT! Even the dealer (not my friend) chimed in and shook their head ... good stuff
On a side note.. I did surrender my 17 vs Dealer A showing and third base stays on 20 and dealer pulls A A 10 3 10 BUSTO!... lol.. now i just look like the village idiot .. GOTTA LOVE IT! Even the dealer (not my friend) chimed in and shook their head ... good stuff
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paddywhack
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Gotta admit it draws dumbfounded looks from the dealer and ploppies alike. But when appropriate, and in hindsight, I'd say that play has been the right move the VAST majority of the time.
Eye of the Tiger
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Is this Spanish 21 Hit 17 or Stand 17 ?
Spanish 21
Its almost alway H17(spanish). I dont play it but I have looked at what is available as the best game in different areas of the country. To me spanish looks pretty uniform especially were that rule is concerned. Someone who actually play it should correct me about the other rules but CBJN has few games that are S17.
Its almost alway H17(spanish). I dont play it but I have looked at what is available as the best game in different areas of the country. To me spanish looks pretty uniform especially were that rule is concerned. Someone who actually play it should correct me about the other rules but CBJN has few games that are S17.
Eye of the Tiger
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The answer is Surrender hard 17 to a dealer's ace when playing a H17 Spanish 21. Hit a A/6.tthree said:
When you are playing a S17 Spanish 21 same.