Harrah's Joliet, IL Casino (Near Chicago)

[Carmine782]

Good Evening Everyone, Anyone here play at harrah's In Joliet, IL which is on the south side of Chicago, I do, I had pretty good luck there, The House edge is about .36 Which is pretty good. Just curious what your guys thoughts are?

Carmine

 

[FrankieT]

I've never been there, .36 you say, interesting.
.36 can't be right, not at a Harrah's casino.

How many decks, what is penetration, what are rules?

 

[jack.jackson]

I've never been there, .36 you say, interesting.
.36 can't be right, not at a Harrah's casino.

How many decks, what is penetration, what are rules?

Probably meant -.36 (common error)

 

[FrankieT]

Probably meant -.36 (common error)

No I know what he meant (that the casino only has an edge of .36 against the player using BS). I'm just saying that that is highly improbable given that it's operated by Harrah's (a casino edge of .65 or higher is way more probable when you're dealing with Harrahs) Harrah's casinos have notoriously bad blackjack conditions from everything I heard

 

[chichow]

No its true.

According to Stanford Wong's publication, they have
5 tables at .36 edge 6 decks 2.0 deck cut off 25 min 5000 max
with various rules.

Its the best place to play around Chicago from a rules perspective but from downtown Chicago its a long drive. The Indiana casinos are much closer.

 

[FrankieT]

2 decks cut off?? that's awful So I take it's S17, late surrender, DAS....how about mid-shoe entry, that allowed? With two decks cut off, all the good rules in the world don't save it (of course it's not necessarily a bad game if your a ploppy, not gonna get any really extreme high counts or low counts)

 

[jack.jackson]

+ -	casino	loc	tbls	edge	dks	cut	min	max	rules
IL: Chicago		Mar 2007
including Aurora, Elgin, and Joliet.
Empress (AGY), Joliet. Open 0900-0600.
	Empress	Joliet	4	.41	6	2.0	50	2000	s17,ds,nm
	Empress	Joliet	9	.41	6	2.0	10	2000	s17,ds
Grand Victoria (MGM), Elgin. Open 0630-0400. Penetration varies by
 dealer.
	Grand	Elgin	16	.63	6	1.8	15	5000	h17,ds
Harrah's (HET), Joliet. Open 1000-0400.
	Harrahs	Joliet	13	.36	6	2.0	15	5000	s17,ds,rsa,LL9,nm
Ho

 

[Carmine782]

I've never been there, .36 you say, interesting.
.36 can't be right, not at a Harrah's casino.

How many decks, what is penetration, what are rules?

All the Tables are 6 Decks, They Have 15,20, 25 Dollar Tables, Sometimes I see $10 But thats ususally before noon. Pen is about 2 Decks on the $25 Tables, I think its closer to 3 on the lower tables. There is no mid shoe entry on the $25 Tables only. Re-spilting is allowed, Re-Spiliting aces are allowed as well, (But of course you do only get one card when you spilt aces) DAS is allowed. Dealer hits on all 17's. They also have LL9, Also they have this "Automatic Winner" Which I call the "Automatic Loser" Which is if the dealer is showing a 10, and you have two 10's you can win half your bet automantically, but i hardly see anyone taking that.

 

[letsdothis21]

isn't lucky ladies supposed to be a really good sidebet?

 

[chichow]

I think its the RSA that really gives it the lower house edge compared to other Chicago land casinos

 

[jack.jackson]

:laugh:

All the Tables are 6 Decks, They Have 15,20, 25 Dollar Tables, Sometimes I see $10 But thats ususally before noon. Pen is about 2 Decks on the $25 Tables, I think its closer to 3 on the lower tables. There is no mid shoe entry on the $25 Tables only. Re-spilting is allowed, Re-Spiliting aces are allowed as well, (But of course you do only get one card when you spilt aces) DAS is allowed. Dealer hits on all 17's. They also have LL9, Also they have this "Automatic Winner" Which I call the "Automatic Loser" Which is if the dealer is showing a 10, and you have two 10's you can win half your bet automantically, but i hardly see anyone taking that.

What is the EV on a pair of tens vs dealer ten. This would seem pretty close to me. Anybody know? Is there a name for this bet. If not, we could coin it as early victory:laugh:

 

[Sonny]

What is the EV on a pair of tens vs dealer ten. This would seem pretty close to me. Anybody know? Is there a name for this bet. If not, we could coin it as early victory:laugh:

The EV for 10,10 vs. 10 is about 56%. By accepting a 50% payoff you are giving the house a 6% advantage. I believe the bet is calles (Dead link: http://www.casinosurrender.com/) _Casino Surrender_. According to the website:

"When you are playing Blackjack and the count +4 or greater, you should ALWAYS take the Casino Surrender option because it actually reduces the house edge!"

I have yet to confirm that number though.

-Sonny-

 

[jack.jackson]

The EV for 10,10 vs. 10 is about 56%. By accepting a 50% payoff you are giving the house a 6% advantage. I believe the bet is calles (Dead link: http://www.casinosurrender.com/) _Casino Surrender_. According to the website:

"When you are playing Blackjack and the count +4 or greater, you should ALWAYS take the Casino Surrender option because it actually reduces the house edge!"

I have yet to confirm that number though.

-Sonny-

Is that for level1 or level2 ? +4

 

[Sonny]

Is that for level1 or level2 ? +4

It didn't indicate but I would assume they meant HiLo.

-Sonny-

 

[FrankieT]

it's 6 decks, with 2 decks cut off and if your little information sheet is still correct in that it doesn't allow mid-shoe entry (that's what I assume NM stands for) it isn't that great of a game, having to play every single hand on a 6 decker with two decks cut off is still (even if the casino edge averages around .36).
pretty crummy

If anybody wants to know where the hot spots are and how to comb in the real money drop me a line

 

[Sonny]

What exactly RSA, something to do with multiple resplits?

Resplitting aces. If you split aces and get an ace on one you can split again. This is a handy little tool, especially when the count is rich.

-Sonny-

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Good Evening Everyone, Anyone here play at harrah's In Joliet, IL which is on the south side of Chicago, I do, I had pretty good luck there, The House edge is about .36 Which is pretty good. Just curious what your guys thoughts are?

Carmine

there is no way in hell the house edge anywhere in illinois is lower than .4-.45% (6 decks, DAS, DA2) ive been to both in joliet and they have HORRIBLE video poker, and i remember calling all the casinos in chicagoland about 6 months ago asking what their rules were for blackjack, and most of them were hit 17 with $15+ table limits

could you tell me the rules for the game?

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

+ -	casino	loc	tbls	edge	dks	cut	min	max	rules
IL: Chicago		Mar 2007
including Aurora, Elgin, and Joliet.
Empress (AGY), Joliet. Open 0900-0600.
	Empress	Joliet	4	.41	6	2.0	50	2000	s17,ds,nm
	Empress	Joliet	9	.41	6	2.0	10	2000	s17,ds
Grand Victoria (MGM), Elgin. Open 0630-0400. Penetration varies by
 dealer.
	Grand	Elgin	16	.63	6	1.8	15	5000	h17,ds
Harrah's (HET), Joliet. Open 1000-0400.
	Harrahs	Joliet	13	.36	6	2.0	15	5000	s17,ds,rsa,LL9,nm
Ho

and this was published when? 5 years ago? u cannot believe anything you read in a blackjack book in terms of "this casino has such and such" because things change every year.. i know a casino that changed twice in 1 year by a tremendous amount

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

the best house edge in all of chicagoland is .45% with $10 tables at majestic star in gary indiana..

 

[jack.jackson]

and this was published when? 5 years ago? u cannot believe anything you read in a blackjack book in terms of "this casino has such and such" because things change every year.. i know a casino that changed twice in 1 year by a tremendous amount

Actually it was published around 30 years why? Is something broken ? I got the word from a 5 year old crack dealer on my corner. It seemed to work pretty well though cause yo man i won 42 billion last month at the casino. Is this good or bad?