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Obviously the heat will depend on your betting level and spread. Can you tell us a little more about your style?
-Sonny-
Sounds like you're looking for the local burn joints. Check out Stan's newsletter:
https://secure.bj21.com/order/order1.htm
For $12 you will know all about the games in Vegas, and elsewhere.
Obviously the heat will depend on your betting level and spread. Can you tell us a little more about your style?
-Sonny-
Thanks for the advice about the newsletter. I'm going to Vegas in December, so I guess it's time to study up.
I'll be using the KO system, spreading 1-10 ($5.00 to $50.00). I don't expect any heat at that level, but you guys have got me paranoid! I just wondered if the days of the counter are over. I'm not trying to make a living at this, just maybe pay for the trip and another in the future.
Thanks again.
I'll be using the KO system, spreading 1-10 ($5.00 to $50.00). I don't expect any heat at that level, but you guys have got me paranoid! I just wondered if the days of the counter are over. I'm not trying to make a living at this, just maybe pay for the trip and another in the future.
Thanks again.
you'll be fine
I think they will let you play forever at those stakes. You won't need any camouflage either. You start getting backed off when your bet goes over $100 to $200 dollars. I say count to your hearts content and take advantage of everything you can. Double down on those soft 19s, too when the count calls for it.
I think they will let you play forever at those stakes. You won't need any camouflage either. You start getting backed off when your bet goes over $100 to $200 dollars. I say count to your hearts content and take advantage of everything you can. Double down on those soft 19s, too when the count calls for it.
Hate to be the needle that bursts a bubble...
But Downtown ain't what she used to be. You will probably find the best game with the least heat at Golden Nugget. They have 2 $10 min single deck games. If you play those levels at El Cortez, Western and Gold Spike you'll be okay too. Las Vegas Club used to be the place. They had many single deck tables. Under new ownership they are trying to keep up with the Jones' by offering the same crap Fitzgeralds and Fremont offer. The 4 Queens still has a couple tables of single deck, but beware. A friend of mine received extreme heat and was booted in 15 minutes while betting against the count. Granted they were empty (at 7:00 am) i.e. don't play in the morning.
The big spenders said you don't need betting camoflauge, I disagree. Just don't jump your bets up and you will be fine.
But Downtown ain't what she used to be. You will probably find the best game with the least heat at Golden Nugget. They have 2 $10 min single deck games. If you play those levels at El Cortez, Western and Gold Spike you'll be okay too. Las Vegas Club used to be the place. They had many single deck tables. Under new ownership they are trying to keep up with the Jones' by offering the same crap Fitzgeralds and Fremont offer. The 4 Queens still has a couple tables of single deck, but beware. A friend of mine received extreme heat and was booted in 15 minutes while betting against the count. Granted they were empty (at 7:00 am) i.e. don't play in the morning.
The big spenders said you don't need betting camoflauge, I disagree. Just don't jump your bets up and you will be fine.
Can you get away with it?
> Will a $10-$40 bet spread at single deck get me kicked out of
> LVC, El Cortez, and Western?
It depends on your act. I play $5-$40 ($2-$40 where allowed) and I have never been backed off or barred at any of those places. I have gotten some heat at the LVC, but nothing that cramped my style. I had to cut an El Cortez session short once, but they have never given me any trouble over big winning (or losing) sessions. Whoever is on the other end of their red phone (I love how the cage uses both phones at the same time!) seems pretty cool.
So, to answer your question, I would say definately maybe.
And I don't think that downtown is not as good anymore. Sure, the LVC has opened a few "liberal" blackjack tablse (SF21) and has fewer regular tables, and the Horseshoe is dead but there are still opportunities on Fremont Street.
The Plaza has changed their DD games to S17 DAS. Use the $25 matchplay coupon from their funbook to make some good money here once you find decent penetration.
Fitzie's has also been DAS for a while now. Their cutting/burning procedure is a bit different than most places, so a sloppy dealer can easily flash you a card or two by accident. I like to Wong into a DD or 6D game there when I can. If you need a break from blackjack you can use their $22 for $20 buy-in at roulette to kill some time and maybe make a buck or two (but probably not more than that).
And don't forget the magic of the Speaks Brothers band!
-Sonny-
> Will a $10-$40 bet spread at single deck get me kicked out of
> LVC, El Cortez, and Western?
It depends on your act. I play $5-$40 ($2-$40 where allowed) and I have never been backed off or barred at any of those places. I have gotten some heat at the LVC, but nothing that cramped my style. I had to cut an El Cortez session short once, but they have never given me any trouble over big winning (or losing) sessions. Whoever is on the other end of their red phone (I love how the cage uses both phones at the same time!) seems pretty cool.
So, to answer your question, I would say definately maybe.
And I don't think that downtown is not as good anymore. Sure, the LVC has opened a few "liberal" blackjack tablse (SF21) and has fewer regular tables, and the Horseshoe is dead but there are still opportunities on Fremont Street.
The Plaza has changed their DD games to S17 DAS. Use the $25 matchplay coupon from their funbook to make some good money here once you find decent penetration.
Fitzie's has also been DAS for a while now. Their cutting/burning procedure is a bit different than most places, so a sloppy dealer can easily flash you a card or two by accident. I like to Wong into a DD or 6D game there when I can. If you need a break from blackjack you can use their $22 for $20 buy-in at roulette to kill some time and maybe make a buck or two (but probably not more than that).
And don't forget the magic of the Speaks Brothers band!
-Sonny-
The bat-phone
> One call goes to surveillance, the other to the pit.
Yeah, I figured the red phone was either surveillance or the Bat-Cave. I guess they're sort of the same thing. I just didn't think that the guy in surveillance would be so laid-back. I thought they were supposed to be hard-arses about winning players and large stacks of greens. I guess they've mellowed out some. On the other hand, they've probably drawn devil-horns all over the photos of me they took.
-Sonny-
> One call goes to surveillance, the other to the pit.
Yeah, I figured the red phone was either surveillance or the Bat-Cave. I guess they're sort of the same thing. I just didn't think that the guy in surveillance would be so laid-back. I thought they were supposed to be hard-arses about winning players and large stacks of greens. I guess they've mellowed out some. On the other hand, they've probably drawn devil-horns all over the photos of me they took.
-Sonny-
Funbooks
> I was wondering how to get a funbook from a casino. Do I just have to sign up
> for the players card?
Most of the time yes. Often you will find ads for funbooks is local magazines. Sometimes you will have to redeem them at the slot club booth, although at the Plaza you can redeem them directly at the cage without a player's card. At Fitzie's you can just swipe your slot card in a kiosk and print out some coupons whenever you want.
-Sonny-
> I was wondering how to get a funbook from a casino. Do I just have to sign up
> for the players card?
Most of the time yes. Often you will find ads for funbooks is local magazines. Sometimes you will have to redeem them at the slot club booth, although at the Plaza you can redeem them directly at the cage without a player's card. At Fitzie's you can just swipe your slot card in a kiosk and print out some coupons whenever you want.
-Sonny-
Surveillance is a netural party in this instance
The call to surveillance is so that they can verify that the cashier has added up the chips correctly, and is paying out the correct amount of money. Much like some stores will have a second cashier "verify" payouts of several thousand dollars. I suspect that most of the time, when it's under a thousand dollars or so, the Cortez surveillance operator just says, "Yeah, go ahead" without really paying attention, much like a pit critter who is supposed to verify buy-ins or color ups, but really just goes through the motions because "it's procedure."
The call to surveillance is so that they can verify that the cashier has added up the chips correctly, and is paying out the correct amount of money. Much like some stores will have a second cashier "verify" payouts of several thousand dollars. I suspect that most of the time, when it's under a thousand dollars or so, the Cortez surveillance operator just says, "Yeah, go ahead" without really paying attention, much like a pit critter who is supposed to verify buy-ins or color ups, but really just goes through the motions because "it's procedure."
Not me
How the hell do you get away with those kinds of bets in the El Cortez?
I had been invited to never come back to the Cortez so many times that I finally gave up on the dump. I have not played there in years, except once a few months ago on a shift where I'd never been hassled. However, the pen was so poor from two dealers I didn't stick around and waste my time. "Brown action" -- LOL!
How the hell do you get away with those kinds of bets in the El Cortez?
I had been invited to never come back to the Cortez so many times that I finally gave up on the dump. I have not played there in years, except once a few months ago on a shift where I'd never been hassled. However, the pen was so poor from two dealers I didn't stick around and waste my time. "Brown action" -- LOL!
Two schools of camouflage
> How the hell do you get away with those kinds of bets in the El Cortez? They
> douched me in under 15 minutes in there.
Here are two schools of thought on this:
1) Be the party animal of the casino. Scream when you win, cry when you lose, drink constantly, joke around with all the players, talk to the pit bosses and dealers, ask for comps at the $3 table. If you act like a drunk frat boy then you will get away with much more. Also, talking to the pit is a great way to distract them. This is the standard approach.
2) Be invisible. Again, here are two ways to do this:
a. Hit and run paperboy style. Unfortunately, you will not be playing very many hands using this style. However, on Fremont street you can easily make the rounds all night long.
b. Make the pit not WANT to watch you. Make rude or offensive jokes to the pit bosses, ask too many very personal questions ("How much do you get paid?" - ask this in front of the dealer!, "Is your boss an a-hole?", "What's your wife look like?", "What kind of car do you drive?" - this is a good one to use after a big losing session!), ask them if they want to hang out later, wink at the female bosses, etc. Make them uncomfortable around you and they will leave you alone.
-Sonny-
> How the hell do you get away with those kinds of bets in the El Cortez? They
> douched me in under 15 minutes in there.
Here are two schools of thought on this:
1) Be the party animal of the casino. Scream when you win, cry when you lose, drink constantly, joke around with all the players, talk to the pit bosses and dealers, ask for comps at the $3 table. If you act like a drunk frat boy then you will get away with much more. Also, talking to the pit is a great way to distract them. This is the standard approach.
2) Be invisible. Again, here are two ways to do this:
a. Hit and run paperboy style. Unfortunately, you will not be playing very many hands using this style. However, on Fremont street you can easily make the rounds all night long.
b. Make the pit not WANT to watch you. Make rude or offensive jokes to the pit bosses, ask too many very personal questions ("How much do you get paid?" - ask this in front of the dealer!, "Is your boss an a-hole?", "What's your wife look like?", "What kind of car do you drive?" - this is a good one to use after a big losing session!), ask them if they want to hang out later, wink at the female bosses, etc. Make them uncomfortable around you and they will leave you alone.
-Sonny-