Help me explain trip bank roll.

[shadroch]

The new player i discussed in another thread has a $5,000 bankroll.
At present,its non-replenishible. He's willing to risk that and no more until he gets a better feel. We are going to Vegas in september and he is bringing $2500 for BJ play. If all goes according to plan,we'll be playing almost exclusive double deck with a 1-5 spread. Should he be betting based on the $5K or the 2.5K? I'm thinking a $10-$50 spread is ideal.
Thoughts? Corrections?

 

[sagefr0g]

The new player i discussed in another thread has a $5,000 bankroll.
At present,its non-replenishible. He's willing to risk that and no more until he gets a better feel. We are going to Vegas in september and he is bringing $2500 for BJ play. If all goes according to plan,we'll be playing almost exclusive double deck with a 1-5 spread. Should he be betting based on the $5K or the 2.5K? I'm thinking a $10-$50 spread is ideal.
Thoughts? Corrections?

sounds as if for the trip ror he's betting to the 2.5k and for his lifetime ror he's betting to the 5k.
so how should he be betting to it? i sure couldn't say cause i think it's got so much to do with his feelings about risk acceptance or reluctance. sounds as if he's pretty risk averse about this 5k being as your going on this big trip and he's not taking it all on the trip.
i've never played DD but just seems like maybe the amounts being bet are kind of a lot for a 5grand lifetime bankroll. maybe 2.5k not to bad for the trip but the play might get cut short if lady luck's not with you guys?
don't really know shad just shooting the bull mainly.

 

[shadroch]

The reason he's taking half is because we are going back three weeks later.He doesn't want to get wiped out the first trip. His previous BJ experiance was winning $800 playing drunk in AC,and losing $1500 while drunk on a $100 table at Wynn.Until a few months ago,he thought BJ was a game of chance,luck and gut feelings.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Rules of Survival

Probably most would recommend not drinking.

For bankroll preservation he should consider not resizing his bets upward if he is winning and perhaps resize his bets downward if he is losing.

There is a lot of potential trouble because he is use to drinking and $100 bets.

 

[Kasi]

The new player i discussed in another thread has a $5,000 bankroll.
At present,its non-replenishible. He's willing to risk that and no more until he gets a better feel. We are going to Vegas in september and he is bringing $2500 for BJ play. If all goes according to plan,we'll be playing almost exclusive double deck with a 1-5 spread. Should he be betting based on the $5K or the 2.5K? I'm thinking a $10-$50 spread is ideal.
Thoughts? Corrections?

Well. it's late, so who knows lol.

I'd guess there's nothing wrong with betting to the $5K roll while bringing half that for a trip.

Depending on trip-length, actual game rules and pen, table min, actual when you spread that 1-5, etc.

Just because a 500 unit ($5K) roll might be too much for my small cahones to handle doesn't mean he's not happy with his cahones.

I guess my first question to you would be, if you don't know what he should be doing, how do you know what you should be doing playing the same game? It sounds to me like more or less the same question, if you know one, then you probably know the other.

 

[shadroch]

He's played twice,while partying with da boys. He's not really used to anything.He seems committed to learning about becoming an AP.If he drinks and fux up,so be it. If it works,he can afford to play $100-$500 a hand.I'm not sure he has the discipline to play for hours to make enough for a nice steak dinner,though.
My ultimate hope is that he plays well enough to see the potential and he signs on down the road as an investor/backer.
Teaching a newcomer is a great way to find out just what your own strengths and weaknesses are. I highly recommend everyone try it,at least once. There were a number of things I was surprised that I couldn't get across the way I wanted,and a few things I thought I was weak in that came across great.

 

[TENNBEAR]

The new player i discussed in another thread has a $5,000 bankroll.
At present,its non-replenishible. He's willing to risk that and no more until he gets a better feel. We are going to Vegas in september and he is bringing $2500 for BJ play. If all goes according to plan,we'll be playing almost exclusive double deck with a 1-5 spread. Should he be betting based on the $5K or the 2.5K? I'm thinking a $10-$50 spread is ideal.
Thoughts? Corrections?

I base my 3-day trip bankroll on 10x my typical buy-in. and that buy-in on DD is 30x my minimum bet. So at a 10.00 table my buy-in is 300.00, my trip bankroll would be 3000.00. Please take into account that is for 3 days, longer trip will require larger trip bankroll.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

He's played twice,while partying with da boys. He's not really used to anything.He seems committed to learning about becoming an AP.If he drinks and fux up,so be it. If it works,he can afford to play $100-$500 a hand.I'm not sure he has the discipline to play for hours to make enough for a nice steak dinner,though.
My ultimate hope is that he plays well enough to see the potential and he signs on down the road as an investor/backer.
Teaching a newcomer is a great way to find out just what your own strengths and weaknesses are. I highly recommend everyone try it,at least once. There were a number of things I was surprised that I couldn't get across the way I wanted,and a few things I thought I was weak in that came across great.

I have a feeling this might not work out well for you. When he says he wants to bring $2500 for this trip and save $2500 for the next trip, that is the language of a person who is playing for entertainment and intends to lose the money.

I'm not sure you can make an AP out of a gambler. AP is something you have to be called to all by yourself. You have to be willing to enter and remain in a casino for exactly one reason, and if for you a casino is already a place for "partying" you are at a serious disadvantage.

The risk of ruin for a trip is a function of: the game rules, the spread, the unit, and the way you are playing the game, and also the number of hands. How many hands/hours do you plan on staying at the table?

 

[bj bob]

Size of trip roll

I believe the critical factor here is the lenght of this trip. If it's a weekend quicky mixed in with a lot of other activities, then I'd say $2500 is more than enough with that spread. If it closer to a week with nothing but table time then I'd either bring more than the $2500 or look for nickel tables.Personally I would tell him to bring the $2500 for sure and add another $100/ hr extra for each extra hour you think he'll be playing. So the $2500 would account for 2 1/2 days there @ 10 hrs /day and add another $500 to that for every additional 5 table hours. Just my thoughts.

 

[shadroch]

I have a feeling this might not work out well for you. When he says he wants to bring $2500 for this trip and save $2500 for the next trip, that is the language of a person who is playing for entertainment and intends to lose the money.

I'm not sure you can make an AP out of a gambler. AP is something you have to be called to all by yourself. You have to be willing to enter and remain in a casino for exactly one reason, and if for you a casino is already a place for "partying" you are at a serious disadvantage.

The risk of ruin for a trip is a function of: the game rules, the spread, the unit, and the way you are playing the game, and also the number of hands. How many hands/hours do you plan on staying at the table?

We shall see.He really seems like hewants to learn.If it works,great. If not.I've gotten more out of it than he has.

 

[EasyRhino]

Well, in general, you always bet according to your total bankroll. Your trip bankroll justs exists so as to have an acceptably low risk of ruin for the trip. Long trips would have have trip BR approach the total BR.

I base my 3-day trip bankroll on 10x my typical buy-in. and that buy-in on DD is 30x my minimum bet. So at a 10.00 table my buy-in is 300.00, my trip bankroll would be 3000.00. Please take into account that is for 3 days, longer trip will require larger trip bankroll.

I actually do approximately the same amount. Not based on math or anything, just what feels right. This is approx 1/3 of my total bankroll.

For a short trip, I'd also tend to suggest a slightly larger spread and some casino hopping, for acclimitization purposes.