how much will they let me win??

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mjatte

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I know that Casinos put a lot of effort into tracking where all the money goes. I often play with a players card, though I do switch tables a lot. Still, I worry that the Casino knows how much money I have taken from them.

I am a regular at a couple Midwest casinos.

I am not a card counter. I am working to develop my own techniques, which most here I suspect would consider quite "unproven" and "voodoo" at best. In this post, I am only concerned with how my play is perceived by the casino, not about whether my methods provide an advantage or not.

My primary game is Baccarat, though I do play plenty of blackjack.

-I often spread table min : table max, which is about 1:60 most cases.
-I sometimes jump from a $5 bet to a $300 or vice a versa with no amount in between, depending on what play is called for.
-At the smaller casinos I play at, I am frequently the biggest better at the table. (oftentimes the only one betting black chips).
-over the last 10 months or so I am up about 10k.
-every week I go to the casino, I win between $350 and $2000. (average of about $525 as my wins have been increasing lately with my skill)

SO, my question is if I continue to win this much money week after week, will I be backed off or banned?? Do I need to worry about heat since I am not a counter nor a cheater in any way, aside from the fact that I win??

OR, how do I avoid being a "lucky" ploppy that gets banned?? and losing is not an option for me!!

I don't suspect I will have a problem. a couple big losses can't hurt right. but I have read some things on this forum about casinos banning people for winning hardly anything at all. so what's the deal??

btw, I really enjoy reading the forum. its very entertaining with lots of great info!
 
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paymypush

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My guess is that the casinos will welcome you with open arms and shower you with comps. Use your player's card every single time.
 
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Billy C1

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Wrong question

Not trying to be a wise guy but------your question should be "how much will I let THEM win?????"

BillyC1
 
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Renzey

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mjatte said:
I am a regular at a couple Midwest casinos.

I am not a card counter. I am working to develop my own techniques, which most here I suspect would consider quite "unproven" and "voodoo" at best.
My primary game is Baccarat, though I do play plenty of blackjack.
-I often spread table min : table max, which is about 1:60 most cases.
-I sometimes jump from a $5 bet to a $300 or vice a versa with no amount in between, depending on what play is called for.
-over the last 10 months or so I am up about 10k.
-every week I go to the casino, I win between $350 and $2000. (average of about $525 as my wins have been increasing lately with my skill)
SO, my question is if I continue to win this much money week after week, will I be backed off or banned?? Do I need to worry about heat since I am not a counter.
I have read some things on this forum about casinos banning people for winning hardly anything at all. so what's the deal??
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Due to your wild betting when you play blackjack, the pit will (or already has) run a skills check on your play. After they determine that your bet sizing is unrelated to the count, you will most likely be given carte blanche.

The 10k will probably evaporate, but you most likely won't believe it and will persist. 20k or 30 later later, you'll begin to wonder.

Winning big at the beginning of one's casino gambling endeavor can be the worst thing that ever happened to a person.
 
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Friendo

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We are not responsible for the state of the world

I know that there is a temptation to be ethical and to be the voice of mathematical reality in a wilderness of voodoo, but there is also the matter of ridiculing someone who won't listen anyway and who constitutes the vital bottom of the casino food chain.

We need voodoo players. They give the casino the funds to support us.

Please treat them with a little more kindness here!
 
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LovinItAll

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Renzey said:
Winning big at the beginning of one's casino gambling endeavor can be the worst thing that ever happened to a person.
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^^This x a billion, especially if it happens to be on a slot machine. A couple of GF's ago, we went to LV. She had never been to a casino and was actually semi-opposed to gambling until she hit a $3k jackpot on something like the 10th pull of her life. I'm sure you can guess how quickly (in spades) she gave it back when she decided that two $1 machines had to be twice as good as one machine.

Oy......
 
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mjatte

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sounds like from the replies I don't need to worry about my consistent winning . ;)


Renzey said:
Winning big at the beginning of one's casino gambling endeavor can be the worst thing that ever happened to a person.
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This is not the beginning of my gambling endeavor. It is the beginning of a new method I am using. I certainly lost plenty when I first started gambling. (though a majority of my losses were online gambling).


Friendo said:
I know that there is a temptation to be ethical and to be the voice of mathematical reality in a wilderness of voodoo, but there is also the matter of ridiculing someone who won't listen anyway and who constitutes the vital bottom of the casino food chain.

We need voodoo players. They give the casino the funds to support us.

Please treat them with a little more kindness here!
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thanks. :) I've wanted to post here, but have not really felt welcome since I'm not a serious counter. I'm proud to be a part of that "vital bottom."


renzey said:
The 10k will probably evaporate, but you most likely won't believe it and will persist. 20k or 30 later later, you'll begin to wonder.
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You are right I'm not afraid to lose when I play. I play with a lot of confidence. I understand your skepticism. Most would consider my method quite ridiculous, that is true., but I am not worried as I will judge myself by my results, which continue to improve as I refine my skills.
 
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FLASH1296

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Innumerate non-empirical thinkers, who lack the humility
to grasp that they are ignorant of the facts that determine
their long-range outlook, will NOT stop until they are
bankrupt, or nearly so; as they are stridently trying to "prove"
that their brilliant insight trumps the realities of mathematics.
Their fragile egos are trolling for their reason d'etre. <Sigh> :(

  • They lack knowledge.
  • That can be easily overcome.
  • They lack humility.
  • That is not easily remedied.
Thus, we A.P.'s reap their just share of the funds that they
blindly and insouciantly hand over to the avaricious casinos
in a perpetual river of cash and credit. Q. E. D.
 
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mjatte

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FLASH1296 said:

Innumerate non-empirical thinkers, who lack the humility
to grasp that they are ignorant of the facts that determine
their long-range outlook, will NOT stop until they are
bankrupt, or nearly so; as they are stridently trying to "prove"
that their brilliant insight trumps the realities of mathematics.
Their fragile egos are trolling for their reason d'etre. <Sigh> :(

  • They lack knowledge.
  • That can be easily overcome.
  • They lack humility.
  • That is not easily remedied.
Thus, we A.P.'s reap their just share of the funds that they
blindly and insouciantly hand over to the avaricious casinos
in a perpetual river of cash and credit. Q. E. D.
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You all believe very strongly in the objective truth of mathematics. I don't necessarily disagree, however, I just don't believe that casino games are perfect mathematical systems. Or also it may be the case that our current understanding of mathematics is faulty.

Of particular interest to me is the human factor in this mathematical system. A player must place a bet of a certain amount at a certain time. I simply do not believe that the player placing a bet is an entirely independent event of the cards being dealt. On a cosmic level, these actions are intertwined. This explains why it is that some players will have "luck" and others "misfortune". The key is to create your own luck, though I don't wish to get to much into details as I want to keep my system to myself. lol (I know that sounds crazy, but I just had to say it)
 
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FLASH1296

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"On a cosmic level, these actions are intertwined."

Yep, ship the DoDo to Voodoo-Land.

Does anyone vote otherwise, or even abstain?

Motion is carried !
 
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mjatte

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Canceler said:
Probably on a subatomic level, too. Maybe we can talk about quantum mechanics some more. :rolleyes:

Voodoo here we come!
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my system has little to do with quantum mechanics, thankfully. How ever I said in my first post that I didn't want to discuss if my system worked or not. I more wanted to start a discussion about what type of winning patterns at a casino will cause a casino to not let you play anymore. I win almost every session, and I just wanted some input here from you'all to make sure I wasn't winning too much.

I know you all assume my system is useless, and that's OK.

by question is still the same, at what point has a ploppy won too much??? I want to make sure I don't lose this source of income.
 
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tthree

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I guess he really doesnt understand math

mjatte said:
-over the last 10 months or so I am up about 10k.
-every week I go to the casino, I win between $350 and $2000. (average of about $525 as my wins have been increasing lately with my skill)
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Am I the only one who noticed his math doesnt divide out.

10 months = 45 weeks

$10,000/45 weeks = $222.22/week average

If he is pulling down "between $350 and $2000 a week", why is his average only $222.22/week?

I think his perception is far from his reality.
 
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mjatte

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tthree said:
Am I the only one who noticed his math doesnt divide out.

10 months = 45 weeks

$10,000/45 weeks = $222.22/week average

If he is pulling down "between $350 and $2000 a week", why is his average only $222.22/week?

I think his perception is far from his reality.
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Sorry.

$350 is my average WIN session

I just neglected to mention my losses.
My total winnings are 16,000 / 45 equals 366 average win.

With 6k in losses. I'm up 10k.

I don't intend to have another losing session.

So that's why I said I win about 350 a session with my Max win so far being 2k.
 
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