How to market my "blackjack club" to my school

Dyepaintball12

Dyepaintball12

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So, at my college, I am starting a Blackjack team. We will really have no affiliation with the school at all, but in order to reserve classrooms and use their mailing list systems, I need to register with the school.

I am going to call it a "Blackjack Club". I will need to give it a description and also get an advisor, and my question is:

How fond do you think a college would be about a blackjack team that will be studying AP to take casinos money? Should I just tell them we "Study the game of blackjack" or "Have fun playing cards"?


Thanks,

David
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Does your school have a poker club

It is my understanding that because of the popularity of poker some universities have poker clubs. These clubs also probably have low limit games that perhaps underage students partake in. Your club, being used for study and research, with no blackjack actually being played for money should be considered more of a academic pursuit than the poker club.
Furthermore, you can in your presentation mention those who in the past have done statistical research and even doctorate disertations based upon the mathematics of blackjack.

If the actual formation of teams to beat casinos is part of your plan, this may not have to be mentioned. I would stress the math of blackjack to those empowered with the decision.

ihate17
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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I wouldn't recommend it. You have no idea how the faculty and others will react to this idea, surely you know a lot of people consider us to be disreputable. It also publicizes who is on your team and exposes you to identification. How do you know no one at your school works for a casino? Better off meeting in private, on your own terms.
 
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jimpenn

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First "Losing Team Member"

I'm sure family of a student participant will complain to school about how their kid lost all his money and credit when losses occur. I agree with AM.
 
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BlackChipBlackJack

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jimpenn said:
I'm sure family of a student participant will complain to school about how their kid lost all his money and credit when losses occur. I agree with AM.
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lose money how? i thought this was just to teach about blackjack... or is dyepaint just gonna set up a table and be the dealer?
 
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BJinNJ

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Didn't a College Blackjack Club from MIT...

do something like this?
Seems I saw something about it while watching "Breaking Vegas" on TV. ;)

IMHO doing something like this in college is OK. High School could be a
problem. BJ is better than pi**ing away money on beer and weed.

BJinNJ :cool:
 
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mdlbj

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I would call it something along the lines of Advanced Application of Mathematics Club. Have a outline of the "Curriculum" to give to the establishment. This will interest the " More talented students " You don't want just anyone showing up thinking that they are gonna make some quick bank playing cards.

Scout the Math clubs as well.

Good Luck.
 
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InPlay

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Automatic Monkey said:
I wouldn't recommend it. You have no idea how the faculty and others will react to this idea, surely you know a lot of people consider us to be disreputable. It also publicizes who is on your team and exposes you to identification. How do you know no one at your school works for a casino? Better off meeting in private, on your own terms.
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Cloak and Dagger ? Really ?
 
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InPlay

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BlackChipBlackJack said:
lose money how? i thought this was just to teach about blackjack... or is dyepaint just gonna set up a table and be the dealer?
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Don't know the % of people that make money at BJ over the long run it has to be real low. I will take a wild guess of 1 to 3 percent of the players who claim to be AP players. Enlighted me. Maybe someone has the figures for these players.
 
Dyepaintball12

Dyepaintball12

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Ok no we're not a hey lets set up a table and play club.

We are actually going to be a team, but will probably tell the school we are ^^^^^ whats up there, or maybe nothing.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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InPlay said:
Cloak and Dagger ? Really ?
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Yes, really. Particularly if you're talking about Indian casinos. Some people in some parts of the country can be very sensitive about this, and they consider an AP who works in IJ's to be no different than Custer. And if it's a school club you have no control over who shows up- the local casino's surveillance guy can walk in, snap a few pictures and walk out.
 
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shadroch

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I would highly recommend not trying to be any sort of official club.
If you are an official affliate,you will be leaving a paper trail,you will most likely have to accept anyone who wants to join,and you will leave yourself open to a whole myraid of problems when you want to take field trips.
If the movie 21 is even a semi-hit,you'll have way too many wanna-bees to do anything effective.
 
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BlackChipBlackJack

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InPlay said:
Don't know the % of people that make money at BJ over the long run it has to be real low. I will take a wild guess of 1 to 3 percent of the players who claim to be AP players. Enlighted me. Maybe someone has the figures for these players.
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but theyre not playing for money at the school/club.... if they go to the casino on their own time and blow all their money thats their own problem. its not like they are actually going to be gambling at the school.
 
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Unshake

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If all you gain is access to the mailing list and the ability to rent classrooms it seems like you're taking a pretty big risk for literally no gain? Find a couple people who are interested (and possibly an investor if team play is what you're looking to do...) and use somebody's house/apartment to practice.
 
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shadroch

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Put a very cryptic ad in the school newspaper. Make the code math based. Those who respond are the ones you want.
As far as classroom space goes,most schools have designated "club hours".
Scout out an empty classroom and make it your own.
 
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Mr. T

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Dyepaintball12 said:
So, at my college, I am starting a Blackjack team. We will really have no affiliation with the school at all, but in order to reserve classrooms and use their mailing list systems, I need to register with the school.

I am going to call it a "Blackjack Club". I will need to give it a description and also get an advisor, and my question is:

How fond do you think a college would be about a blackjack team that will be studying AP to take casinos money? Should I just tell them we "Study the game of blackjack" or "Have fun playing cards"?


Thanks,

David
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Should you have a BJ or casino club in your college. Are you too young or have plenty of loose cash around for that.
 
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BJinNJ

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Formation of the MIT Team...

<<The Origin of the MIT Blackjack Team

It all started in 1979 when a group of MIT students opted for some extra-curricular activities and attended a course called "How to Gamble If You Must." In this course, the students learned about card-counting and blackjack. They then took their newfound knowledge to Atlantic City, determined to win a small fortune. They failed. big time.

That was it for most of the original members of the group - most of them graduated and the group split up. But a few ex-students did not give up and, in 1980 they gave their own course on card counting to fellow students at MIT. At some point, they were contacted by a backer who offered to re-send them down to Atlantic City - New Jersey law had recently made card counting legal and the casinos were not allowed to ban the counter. This time the Team was successful and, with $5,000 as seed money, they kept winning until they doubled and tripled their stake over a few weeks' time. This was when and how the MIT Blackjack Team got its real start.

Card counting, the heart and soul of the Team's system, is a proven winning technique - for those who have the discipline and smarts to master it. Blackjack is the one game that allows players with skill, determination, and discipline to consistently beat the house. Although card counting was not technically illegal, the casinos knew that a top flight card counter could seriously cut into their profits and so they sought them out and harassed and threatened them. When they finally did successfully identify card counters, the casinos would pursue them and, if the card counters persisted and ultimately won big at the tables, they would ultimately be banned.

The Team boldly recruited other MIT students by posting flyers around the campus. They tested applicants to find out if they had the right stuff to be potential team members, and, if they were deemed suitable, they underwent rigorous training. Before advancing to live play in the casino, each player had to pass a series of tests, which simulated all the roles and conditions of a real casino, including the hassling and badgering described above. >>

For more, check out:

http://www.wildjack.com/mit-blackjack-team.php

You might be able to market your club as the "Business of Gambling" club.

BJinNJ :cool:
 
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Cardcounter

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MIT had a blackjack team

MIT had a blackjack team and they played for real money. You can have a blackjack team in college that people play for real money provided your players are 21 or over! Learn how to get the mathimatical edge over the casino. Become a blackjack expert so you can take advantage of the casinos instead of the casinos taking advantage of you.
 
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