If you knew then what you know now
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Hi/Lo
I'd use the same system i learned in the first place - Hi/Lo. It combines power and simplicity and once you've got it mastered (assuming that you put the extra time into quarter deck estimation) its only a short step (compared to starting on a unbalanced count) on to shuffle tracking.
RJT.
I'd use the same system i learned in the first place - Hi/Lo. It combines power and simplicity and once you've got it mastered (assuming that you put the extra time into quarter deck estimation) its only a short step (compared to starting on a unbalanced count) on to shuffle tracking.
RJT.
aslan
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I wonder if the reason I'm not getting more than one reply is that noone wants to get into a p___ing contest about who has the best system? Also, I know there must be a lot of trade-offs in choosing a system; for example, 1) do you expect to play SD and DD games or 6D and 8D shoe games? 2) do you want superior betting correlation or playing efficiency?, etc., etc. Personally, I am trying to find the best system for multideck shoe games, because where I usually go, they're the most plentiful, and the SD games have poor rules (BJ 6:5). Because KO has such a small edge in these games, I thought I'd do myself a favor and learn a better system in terms of player advantage. But, being new, I don't want to pick a system and learn it, only to find that I should have picked a diffenert system for my purposes. A discussion of the best, or better, systems would be interesting. I'm going to do a search, but I'm not sure that will yield the latest and best information. Sorry if I am commiting one of those newbie mistakes by asking such a basic question.
Don't worry about it.
A basic run down of the capibilities of different systems:
Level 1
A basic unbalanced count (KO/Red7's) is the easiest to learn and the best for the recreational player giving a good balance between power and simplicity and providing an advantage as close to the Hi/Lo as to not be worth arguing about for non-serious play.
Hi Opt I is the perfect count for those that are playing 1D games and are prepard to put a bit more effort into learning both a balanced count and indicies (strategy changes are worth far more in 1D games).
Hi/Lo is like the Hi Op I in that it requires more effort to learn than an unbalanced count but its far stronger at shoe games where betting corrolation is far more important.
Level 2
I'm sure those that use level 2 and beyond counting systems will be able to to give you a better understanding of how they feel that the extra effort put into learning these systems is justified by the small increase in advantage, but personally i feel that if you are viewing the game seriously enough to want to put in that much effort the extra brain space is better taken up by practicing something more advanced that could really increase your advantage.
I'd make the same argument for side count and again i'm sure others would disagree.
RJT.
A basic run down of the capibilities of different systems:
Level 1
A basic unbalanced count (KO/Red7's) is the easiest to learn and the best for the recreational player giving a good balance between power and simplicity and providing an advantage as close to the Hi/Lo as to not be worth arguing about for non-serious play.
Hi Opt I is the perfect count for those that are playing 1D games and are prepard to put a bit more effort into learning both a balanced count and indicies (strategy changes are worth far more in 1D games).
Hi/Lo is like the Hi Op I in that it requires more effort to learn than an unbalanced count but its far stronger at shoe games where betting corrolation is far more important.
Level 2
I'm sure those that use level 2 and beyond counting systems will be able to to give you a better understanding of how they feel that the extra effort put into learning these systems is justified by the small increase in advantage, but personally i feel that if you are viewing the game seriously enough to want to put in that much effort the extra brain space is better taken up by practicing something more advanced that could really increase your advantage.
I'd make the same argument for side count and again i'm sure others would disagree.
RJT.
zengrifter
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I would have just stayed with the RPC, instead of going to RAPM then HO2 then ZEN. zg
bj bob
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If you're staying with the 6-8 shoe game, I would try the new simplified RPC that the Monk came up with, AKA, The Ben Franklin Count. I've reviewed it and it brings Revere's count power together with index simplicity. Only caveat though, it was designed for DAS. If that's your game then go for it.aslan said:
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zengrifter
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I have no problem with Monk-RPC/extreme rounded. M-RPC/exR (ie, 'Ben Franklin) only has indices in -5 0 +5 +10. I would develop indices for both DAS and nonDAS versions w/separate indices on dealer A&6 for h17/s17, and then round them per my interview. Alternatively, I would round them to a slightly higher granularity of -6-3 0 +3+6+9+12. zgbj bob said:
aslan
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RPC Source for Study?
There seems to be a number of versions that go by the name RPC, for example, RPC PM, RPC APCS, RPC Lite, etc. Can you clarify where the serious student needs to go for the right information?
What would be the best book or other source to purchase in order to learn RPC?zengrifter said:
There seems to be a number of versions that go by the name RPC, for example, RPC PM, RPC APCS, RPC Lite, etc. Can you clarify where the serious student needs to go for the right information?
zengrifter
Banned
Only here, since Revere's book is outdated for both playing and betting advice. The original RPC was calibrated to 1/2D TC, you will need 1D or 2D TC, sim the indices then round accordingly. AutoMonk can provide the betting schedules for 1-8D. zgaslan said:
Ps- I said that IF I knew then... BUT if I had a choiceTHEN knowing what I know NOW I would begin and end with ZEN, or Mentor, or UBZ
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RPC: 122221 00 -2-2
ZEN: 112221 00 -2-1
MEN: 122221 0-1-2-1
UBZ: 122221 00 -2-1
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