Interesting article about dice sliders busted at Wynn

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21forme

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Seems like a BS lawsuit to me. The dealer had an opportunity to call it a no-roll, but didn't. and clearly it didn't happen just once.

Typical casino greed.
 
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Brock Windsor

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No charges laid. Pretty hard for Wynn to win this one I would think. I would have to see the tape. If they are clearly distracting/blocking the boxman or dealer there might be something, otherwise you accepted the roll, live by the outcome. The fact that one of the players got turned in to immigration bothers me a bit. Does Wynn have pull over who gets deported? Maybe that's part of their leverage in a possible settlement.
 
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tthree

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One of the guys I played with years ago was a slider. As long as they hit the back wall there is nothing they can do because it is a legal throw. When he caught heat they started calling no roll when he didn't hit the wall. The dice usually did start to roll before they hit the wall but if they stay on axis there is now 16 possible rolls instead of 36. Obviously they wouldn't always stay on axis but if they do more than random chance says you have affected the probabilities on each number and created some advantage plays.

Once you get a couple no rolls it is time to find another table. They can choose which numbers to call no roll on!!
 
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Richard Munchkin

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Brock Windsor said:
No charges laid. Pretty hard for Wynn to win this one I would think. I would have to see the tape. If they are clearly distracting/blocking the boxman or dealer there might be something, otherwise you accepted the roll, live by the outcome. The fact that one of the players got turned in to immigration bothers me a bit. Does Wynn have pull over who gets deported? Maybe that's part of their leverage in a possible settlement.
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It has been said that Wynn is mean and vindictive. He thinks he rules NV and does not take kindly to losing. You might check out my Billy Walters interview where he talks about his very large roulette win, and suddenly was faced with years of IRS investigations. He was also screwed out of incentives he had been promised.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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tthree said:
One of the guys I played with years ago was a slider.
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Was this before the "string" being put on the tables, or did he exploit houses without one? Just curious.
 
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tthree

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ChefJJ said:
Was this before the "string" being put on the tables, or did he exploit houses without one? Just curious.
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I think it was before but I am not sure. The dice usually appeared to start tumbling halfway between the center and the far end. The idea wasn't to slide them to the end and have the same faces up although that was great when it happened. The idea was to get the dice to tumble on axis, heavily weighting the 16 possible combinations for this event over the other 20 possible combinations. It was about 15 to 20 years ago if that helps. I know the string is midtable but the dice take a while to tumble I guess. I am not sure when the string was added.
 
CasinoExaminer

CasinoExaminer

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It is interesting that Wynn's gaming license was not reviewed by the Nevada Gaming Control Board for not offering a "fair" game to customers not involved with the scam. Players place betting 4,5,6 did not stand a chance of winning when one die slid was always six. A fine by the agency is in order.
 
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Sucker

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CasinoExaminer said:
It is interesting that Wynn's gaming license was not reviewed by the Nevada Gaming Control Board for not offering a "fair" game to customers not involved with the scam. Players place betting 4,5,6 did not stand a chance of winning when one die slid was always six. A fine by the agency is in order.
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Are you also one of those people who blames the gun manufacturer when a murder is committed? :confused:
 
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tthree

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Sucker said:
Are you also one of those people who blames the gun manufacturer when a murder is committed? :confused:
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Don't you know people don't commit murder guns do. Hmm, I wonder why that defense was never tried in court?
 
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