Ken, can you "add" more rules, to the SE?

[jack.jackson]

Question for Ken?

Is it too much work, to list some of the more "detailed rules" to the Strategy Engine? It seems the games are getting a little more exotic these days?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Question for Ken?

Is it too much work, to list some of the more "detailed rules" to the Strategy Engine? It seems the games are getting a little more exotic these days?

RSA would be good to add, as well as how many times you can resplit other pairs.

 

[jack.jackson]

RSA would be good to add, as well as how many times you can resplit other pairs.

Im not as interested in the "Strategy" as I am, the ovearall house advantage, but that would be "cool too." I would like to see "Players 21 ties dealer BJ," "BJ beats dealer BJ" and "Suited BJ" added into the SE. Maybe a Charlie as well.

 

[KenSmith]

All these ideas are good, as well as some needed improvements to the overall house edge calculations. I intend to implement some of these as soon as my schedule permits.

 

[bj bob]

Im not as interested in the "Strategy" as I am, the ovearall house advantage, but that would be "cool too." I would like to see "Players 21 ties dealer BJ," "BJ beats dealer BJ" and "Suited BJ" added into the SE. Maybe a Charlie as well.

That's ironic since I was at this little dump in Reno last week that offered "no peek" on dealer 10, but a player 21 would push a dealer BJ after the round was over. I started to wonder if that rule would affect BS in any way.
You may not have to actually recreate another entire BS chart, but maybe just a simple appendix.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

That's ironic since I was at this little dump in Reno last week that offered "no peek" on dealer 10, but a player 21 would push a dealer BJ after the round was over. I started to wonder if that rule would affect BS in any way.
You may not have to actually recreate another entire BS chart, but maybe just a simple appendix.

That rule might not change BS very much. Off the top of my head, it might change the rules for 88 and 77 vs 10, and possibly no DD on 11 vs. 10.

But it would certainly change things for a counter, significantly raising the point at which we stand on 15 and 16 vs. 10 and DD 10 vs. 10.

Another odd rule that changes BS is doubling on any number of cards. You don't double A2 or 8 with that rule because there's a good chance you'll want to double it later.

Charlies change strategy but that becomes a comp-dependent strategy rather than a BS.

 

[bj bob]

That rule might not change BS very much. Off the top of my head, it might change the rules for 88 and 77 vs 10, and possibly no DD on 11 vs. 10.

But it would certainly change things for a counter, significantly raising the point at which we stand on 15 and 16 vs. 10 and DD 10 vs. 10.

Another odd rule that changes BS is doubling on any number of cards. You don't double A2 or 8 with that rule because there's a good chance you'll want to double it later.

Charlies change strategy but that becomes a comp-dependent strategy rather than a BS.

Yeah Monk, I was thinking along the same lines, but likewise, it was just off the top of my head. If you get the time, could you crunch it in The Monkey Lab and PM me? Thanks

 

[jack.jackson]

but it would certainly change things for a counter, significantly raising the point at which we stand on 15 and 16 vs. 10 and dd 10 vs. 10.

Perhaps it would influence 17v10 as well.

 

[jack.jackson]

That's ironic since I was at this little dump in Reno last week that offered "no peek" on dealer 10, but a player 21 would push a dealer BJ after the round was over. I started to wonder if that rule would affect BS in any way.
You may not have to actually recreate another entire BS chart, but maybe just a simple appendix.

Well in the 2 to 3 yrs, ive been surfing the net, ive noticed, "in what seems" like people starting to get a "working knowledge" on how rules effect the player. Maybe its just me, but it seems, more and more often, i'll see something like Even Money or 6/5 with a ****-load of advantageous rules, bringing the HA down to around an acceptable -.5 or so. Now, even though this isnt the norm, it is a trend im starting to see. And Im uncertain as to what effect these GOOD rules, could have with a 6/5 pay-out, but isnt the HA, the bottom line, to whether or not, its a playable game? If so, these type of games with an acceptable house advantages and good pen, would still be playabe, no?

 

[callipygian]

Charlies change strategy but that becomes a comp-dependent strategy rather than a BS.

For 6-8 decks, it's reasonable to come up with a strategy chart like those for Sp21 where you have a "H#" designation, where H5 means hit with 5 cards, stand otherwise. I don't think (but could be wrong) that there's a significant difference between a 24A6A hard 14 and a 35222 hard 14 from a basic strategy standpoint.

Obviously, if you find SD with 5-card Charlie that's a different story.

 

[bj bob]

Well in the 2 to 3 yrs, ive been surfing the net, ive noticed, "in what seems" like people starting to get a "working knowledge" on how rules effect the player. Maybe its just me, but it seems, more and more often, i'll see something like Even Money or 6/5 with a ****-load of advantageous rules, bringing the HA down to around an acceptable -.5 or so. Now, even though this isnt the norm, it is a trend im starting to see. And Im uncertain as to what effect these GOOD rules, could have with a 6/5 pay-out, but isnt the HA, the bottom line, to whether or not, its a playable game? If so, these type of games with an acceptable house advantages and good pen, would still be playabe, no?

I see what you're saying Jack. The prevailing "wisdom" on both sides of the pit is that the 6:5 payout is an "even" trade for DOA. This idiocy is hard for me to argue with since I don't want to spill the beans mathwise to a PB. If the floor management doesn't understand the net effect, then how in the hell would your average drunken ploppy know?
As far as the game I was referring to. This is a SD, D10 game with very good pen (Ro6/7). This quirky little rule brings the HA from..44 to. .27 so it offsets the HA by 2/3 vs. DOA and the pen more than makes up the difference.

 

[StudiodeKadent]

Ken,

Its excellent that you plan to add extra rules to the strategy engine. Could you consider adding them to the basic strategy trainer as well?


For the trainer, I would be delighted if these were added:

-Early Surrender Against 2-10/pictures, no surrender against dealer aces (ES10)

-A continous reshuffling option

-number of splits/resplits permitted, including the resplitting of aces (and number of resplits thereof).

Sincerest thanks for your consideration.

 

[MGP]

That's ironic since I was at this little dump in Reno last week that offered "no peek" on dealer 10, but a player 21 would push a dealer BJ after the round was over. I started to wonder if that rule would affect BS in any way.
You may not have to actually recreate another entire BS chart, but maybe just a simple appendix.

There is no strategy change.