Ken Smith vs. Zengrifter vs. LVHCM

Who is the most skilled blackjack player of these three?

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person1125

person1125

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D. Undecided

Don't know what kind of skill LVHCM has besides running his mouth.

And what difference does it make anyway?

And what do you define as skill? Counting, tourn play, hole carding, shuffle tracking, ace sequencing, cover play, side bets, back betting, etc.
 
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Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Good to see you here Bluesman! :band:


If I had to guess who was the most skilled blackjack player, it would have to be the one who shoots off his mouth the least about his skills.
 
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RJT

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LOL, now how is any here realisticly supposed to answer a question like that?
Very few people here have actually seen any of the above play, making any assessment of skills sheer inferment.
On top of this each has - based on what can be inferred - skills in different areas. Ken is a very well established tournament player, Zen has well developed skills for finding advantages others have missed both in and outside the casino and leveraging these advantages for huge gains and LVHCM is supposedly a skilled hole carder. All very different skills.
The one comment i would make is that while both Ken and Zen have fairly well publisized referrences for what they have achieved on and off the tables, LVHCM has only hearsay and cursing anyone who would dare to challange him to back his skills up.
A fairly rhetorical question overall.

RJT.
 
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ColorMeUp

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How about: D: Who cares?

All this bickering and arguing about the whole LVCHM thing is detracting from the message board as a whole, IMO. Lets get back to talking about AP techniques and not worry about who's better and if we should be banning people.
 
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positiveEV

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Looks like LVHCM, Craps Master and Bluesman are all the same person. Do they share the same IP? I think this guy is craving for attention or something. I voted for him for the hell of it, should make him happy :laugh:
 
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Persnickety1

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RJT said:
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Very few people here have actually seen any of the above play, making any assessment of skills sheer inferment.
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RJT.
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Actually just about everyone in the country had the chance to see Ken Smith in action several times, on CBS, in primetime, on Ultimate Blackjack Tour.

As for Zengrifter, I don't doubt his skills for a second, and anyone capable of milking stinky rich, greedy people out of some of their money would earn my respect.

But how the heck did LVHCM get in the same league with Zengrifter and Ken Smith? The guy does nothing but spreads insults to anyone who listens.
 
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ScottH

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I can't decide. "Best blackjack player" seems a little too broad, so it's too hard to compare them. How do you decide who's better out of a good hole-carder and a good card counter, or a good tournament player and a good cash-game player?

And like RJT said, we havn't really seen any of them play, except for a little bit of Ken's tournament play.
 
KenSmith

KenSmith

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Heh, I voted for LVHCM.
It's a shame his social interaction skills aren't up to par with his blackjack skills.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Well, I have neither Ken's nor LVHCM's expertise, but I voted for Ken since what LVHCM does is not blackjack per'se, its more like a scam... a good one though. zg
 
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Persnickety1

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KenSmith said:
Heh, I voted for LVHCM.
It's a shame his social interaction skills aren't up to par with his blackjack skills.
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Did he ever provide a shred of evidence supporting that he might be a master hole carder, or are we supposed to believe he is the hole card guru simply because of the user ID he chose for himself?

I don't want to check out his old posts and find the answer myself because too many obscenities give me headaches.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Persnickety1 said:
Did he ever provide a shred of evidence supporting that he might be a master hole carder, or are we supposed to believe he is the hole card guru simply because of the user ID he chose for himself?
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He's the real thing. Say, why haven't i gotten any votes?? zg

See: Stalker/LVHCM is mad at Ken...
 
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Brutus

Brutus

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All 3 are in their own category.

if it was a foot race at 30 hands, I would say Ken.

Long haul,(in casino play) Ken might be at a disadvantage due to his blackjack fame, and would be more likely to get backed off.

Zen's blackjack talents are also well known. If Zen's talents are also known by casinos or griffin, that could put him at a disadvantage.

lvhcm apparently shuns card counting, but relies more heavily on hole-carding. is he known to anyone? I dunno.

I am going to vote Zen, because he employs a variety of advantages, and cover play.
 
person1125

person1125

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Idea

Hey I have an idea - give LVHCM and Craps Master a formum on here of their very own. Make it so they can only post there. I even have a name for it:

"Crap Zone" :laugh:
 
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