Kentucky Derby -- My Longshot Picks -- Race in 7 hrs.
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Sandy Eggo
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The two I've liked since January:
Fresian Fire and Chocolate Candy.
With I Want Revenge scratched, this changes the dynamic of the race a bit.
Fresian Fire and Chocolate Candy.
With I Want Revenge scratched, this changes the dynamic of the race a bit.
ChefJJ
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What a race! I had Freisan Fire for the mud play and Papa Clem for the good price, but who knew Mine That Bird would dominate...the jockey drove that light horse through traffic like it was nothing!
They don't consider the Derby the toughest race to handicap for nothing! :joker:
good luck
They don't consider the Derby the toughest race to handicap for nothing! :joker:
good luck
Katweezel
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Have a nice day
Down here, the Melbourne Cup is Australia's richest race: a field of open-class, 24 horses, that has been making bookies rich for 140 years. Sounds like a similar story with the big-field K Derby for 3-year-olds. Did you have a nice day, JJ? :cat:
Down here, the Melbourne Cup is Australia's richest race: a field of open-class, 24 horses, that has been making bookies rich for 140 years. Sounds like a similar story with the big-field K Derby for 3-year-olds. Did you have a nice day, JJ? :cat:
ChefJJ
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I made my bets on the way to a wedding, so I wasn't at a track to watch the race go down (actually listened to it on the radio in the car). Outdoor wedding, very nice, open bar...I had a good time :grin:
good luck
ChefJJ
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A gelding too .... not like he was running to be put out to stud.
Less junk in the way, I suppose
good luck
embryostud
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No sperm from a gelded anything. Period.
ChefJJ
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Cloning needs DNA, not sperm though. Shad has an interesting thought, but nothing I want to dwell on for too long. :laugh:
good luck
FLASH1296
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Stallions who are derby winners tend to command stud fees between $5,000 and $10,000.
Lets remember that the horse's performance was not exactly fast. His "time" was average.
His winning time was three (3) seconds slower than Secretariat's derby record.
At 1.25 miles that is a difference of > 15 lengths.
Lets remember that the horse's performance was not exactly fast. His "time" was average.
His winning time was three (3) seconds slower than Secretariat's derby record.
At 1.25 miles that is a difference of > 15 lengths.
I heard on Bloomberg News that the owner of the sire of Mine that Bird, I don't remember the ladies name, will be getting $20,000 per shot.... I mean studding fee.
BJC
ChefJJ
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A couple of thoughts on this:
1) The race was in the slop, so the 3 seconds difference from Sec's record does need some temperence.
2) It is interesting to know that a horse's stud fee increases dramatically when his offspring have success. And by dramatically, it could be six figures.
good luck
FLASH1296
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A couple of thoughts on this:
1) The race was in the slop, so the 3 seconds difference from Sec's record does need some temperence.
Not significant. The track was what is called "Wet-Fast" as indicated by the results in the other races that day.
2) It is interesting to know that a horse's stud fee increases dramatically when his offspring have success. And by dramatically, it could be six figures.
NO horse has ever come remotely close to a 6 figure stud fee.
Furthermore when he fails to win the Preakness and Belmont Stakes the Derby Winner's (projected) Stud Fee drops dramatically.
BUT, yes if the first crop of yearlings pan out then the fees will appreciate.
Many of the most excellent Stallions and BroodMares alike produced NOT a single race winner, no less a champion.
ChefJJ
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FLASH,
To respond to the response
:
Fair enough on point #1...the track was Off, but not in horrible shape.
Regarding six-figure stud fees, you have to be out of your mind to think that some retired horses do not command $100,000+. Please tell me that you were mistaken.
It's all good.
To respond to the response
: Fair enough on point #1...the track was Off, but not in horrible shape.
Regarding six-figure stud fees, you have to be out of your mind to think that some retired horses do not command $100,000+. Please tell me that you were mistaken.
It's all good.
MoneyPlays
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Secretariat beat a lot of good horses by >15 lengths in his career. "Big Red" won the Belmont by 31 lengths.
One second = approximately 5 lengths in any distance of horse race. (save for an Amish buggy race) :grin:
Secretariat won the Belmont by 6+ seconds!