keying an ace

[beyondbj]

for double riffle , u like three cards keying or two cards ?

if two cards , its risky for a wrong key card by mulitple deicks

but three cards key i think will have larger chance the ace has already lost by the riffle , since there must at least 13 cards sequence not has been destroyed by the riffles

what u think?

 

[BUZZARD]

I use three key cards when sequencing aces. This if for 8 deck shoes and I am suprised at how many sequences I have seen come through intact but this may be due to the very vulnerable shuffle I have available

 

[matt21]

I use three key cards when sequencing aces. This if for 8 deck shoes and I am suprised at how many sequences I have seen come through intact but this may be due to the very vulnerable shuffle I have available

your shuffles sound good!

how many seq do you upload per shoe, and how many do you typically see coming down intact?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I think two is ideal. The longer the sequence of key cards, the greater the chance the sequence will be broken at the ace. It's like playing Russian roulette with 6 guys around a table- it sucks to be #5.

But what is best is fully dependent on the particular shuffle.

 

[Sonny]

For me, it depends on the number of decks used and the shuffle procedure. Using too many key cards can sometimes be just as bad as using too few. You should design a technique that works best for each specific game.

-Sonny-

 

[aslan]

For me, it depends on the number of decks used and the shuffle procedure. Using too many key cards can sometimes be just as bad as using too few. You should design a technique that works best for each specific game.

-Sonny-

If you used two key cards and you saw them four cards apart, would you project the Ace to be four cards away? In the same scenario, if you were tracking four cards in sequence, would you project the four cards to be four cards apart from each other? Or would you consider "four" to be too great a spacing?

 

[Sonny]

If you used two key cards and you saw them four cards apart, would you project the Ace to be four cards away?

Only if that was my target number. If my target number was 6 then I would think "The second key came early. Six more to go before the target." The numbers are all worked out long before I hit the tables. I already have an idea of the distribution of the key(s)/target(s), the number of keys I want to use, the general location of the sequences and what kind of dealers to look for. It all depends on the game and what kind of sequencing/tracking strategy I want to use against it. Small changes in the game, dealer or procedures can completely change the strategy. That's one of the reasons I'm hesitant to give out specific advice on this topic.

-Sonny-

 

[BUZZARD]

how many seq do you upload per shoe, and how many do you typically see coming down intact?

I only "upload" one per shoe. The ace needs to fall on the very first round of the shoe. This has less than 50% chance of happening but I wait patiently for it to happen and then i pick up the sequence.This is very challenging but Oh-so rewarding. My sequence is always in the last grab made and ends up on top waiting for me to cut it into play. I have seen the sequence come through nearly 50% which was extremely exciting for a noob. Steering it and landing it on my bets presents another challenge.I have nailed the ace on 6 occasions. On almost all occassions I identified the sequence I was able to catch it on one of my 3 hands. The first time I did it was comparable to the first time i got laid.

Aslan-For a double riffle like mine I expect to see three cards between each key if the riffle was perfect. It won't be and I definately see a trend towards fewer cards seperating my 3 key cards. If the last card to be dealt was the final key- my $ goes on hand 3 with a decent chunk on hand 4 and 2.

 

[beyondbj]

the problem is , if the tables is full of players ,

it will be hard to see the keycards come out but the ace is coming in the next hand ,

and if we can occupied the first two seat , but may be the third and forth hand is still occupied by other players which we dont put a rider on them even we guess the ace will come out on the third or forth hand

 

[BUZZARD]

'problem' is an understatement. This technique seems to me to require 2 people to control the table. At least this is what I garnered from my viewing of Semyon's video. Alas I am one man but was determined to nail some of these aces solo . I go really early morning when there is one or two people and I can take the first 3 spots.Or I play heads up.If I'm waiting on a sequence I want 3 hands out total with 3 key cards. practicing at home I found this gives a good opportunity to identify the sequence and alter basic strategy to make that ace pop out on the desired round.

 

[matt21]

I only "upload" one per shoe. The ace needs to fall on the very first round of the shoe. This has less than 50% chance of happening but I wait patiently for it to happen and then i pick up the sequence.This is very challenging but Oh-so rewarding. My sequence is always in the last grab made and ends up on top waiting for me to cut it into play. I have seen the sequence come through nearly 50% which was extremely exciting for a noob. Steering it and landing it on my bets presents another challenge.I have nailed the ace on 6 occasions. On almost all occassions I identified the sequence I was able to catch it on one of my 3 hands. The first time I did it was comparable to the first time i got laid.

oh wow - that's interesting . you do just one per shoe. and then try to land it during 1st round. fair go. i guess there are many ways for playing a seq game. i am sure it did feel pretty amazing the first time u nailed it. thanks for answering my question - very interesting stuf

good luck with thatt..