KO System with 8 decks

[Blackjackplayer23]

Hey guys im new to the site and just got a few quick questions on the ko system if you could help me out thatd be awesome. I usually play 8 deck with about 75% penetration. I usually start my IRC at 0 because im not too good with negative numbers.
If Im playing 8 deck I start my IRC at 0 then after the first deck i should have an advantage at a RC of 11 and then after 2 decks 15, then after 3 19 correct?? or do i just go up by 3 rather then 4? And would my KC be 28?
Because ive seen this chart below from the book and yes i realize he has an IRC of -28 and a KC of -6 im just getting a little confused because he starts his IRC at -28 any help would be great thanks!

IRC Key Count
1 deck 0 +2
2 decks -4 +1
6 decks -20 -4
8 decks -28 -6

 

[Blackjackplayer23]

really need your help guys any advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[Canceler]

Duplicate threads do nothing but annoy people.

If you’re talking just plain vanilla 8D KO, and you’ve added 28 to the normal IRC, then you simply add 28 to the normal key count and pivot point as well. So, 22 & 32, respectively.

If Im playing 8 deck I start my IRC at 0 then after the first deck i should have an advantage at a RC of 11 and then after 2 decks 15, then after 3 19 correct?? or do i just go up by 3 rather then 4? And would my KC be 28?

I don't know what this is about, but it leads me to think you're not talking plain KO, in which case, I can't help you.

 

[Blackjackplayer23]

Ok thanks for your help and ill keep that in mind next time i post like i said im new to this site.
But my question is if my IRC is at 0 what would my running count need to be after the first deck to have the advantage over the house? And what about after the second, third, etc.

 

[Canceler]

But my question is if my IRC is at 0 what would my running count need to be after the first deck to have the advantage over the house? And what about after the second, third, etc.

For normal KO the advantage starts at the key count no matter how many decks have been played. That's it.

I still don't know if you're playing normal KO, or if you're trying to "true count" it, or some such thing.

 

[Blackjackplayer23]

Ok i got you and no im playing normal ko 2-7 +1, 8 & 9 =0, 10-A -1. I for some reason just thought let's say for example you have a running count of +17 after 1 deck you would have a favorable advantage but i guess not its when i hit my key count at 22 i have my advantage if my IRC is 0 then correct?
And one other thing say im at my key count of 22 but theres only 2 decks left in the shoe i wouldnt have as strong as an advantage then as I would have earlier right?

 

[revrac]

Ok i got you and no im playing normal ko 2-7 +1, 8 & 9 =0, 10-A -1. I for some reason just thought let's say for example you have a running count of +17 after 1 deck you would have a favorable advantage but i guess not its when i hit my key count at 22 i have my advantage if my IRC is 0 then correct?
And one other thing say im at my key count of 22 but theres only 2 decks left in the shoe i wouldnt have as strong as an advantage then as I would have earlier right?

What your trying to do is replicate the idea in the Color of Blackjack and use a moving key count instead of a fixed one. You are correct that with less than 1 deck played you have the advantage at a count of 11 or higher as compared to your IRC. But after two decks it would be 14, then 17, then 20 etc...it moves by 3 and not 4. Search around on the site for the TKO method and there is a excel file that makes it really easy to see.

 

[Blackjackplayer23]

ok yea i see what you mean i thought that there was somewhat of an advantage if you had a high running count after the first second or third deck. But thanks for the info appreciate it

 

[aslan]

Hey guys im new to the site and just got a few quick questions on the ko system if you could help me out thatd be awesome. I usually play 8 deck with about 75% penetration. I usually start my IRC at 0 because im not too good with negative numbers.

You still have not escaped negative numbers. If the count goes negative from 0, you will be into negative numbers.

If instead you beging your count at 72 (representing -28), then your key count will become 94 (representing -6) and your pivot point will be 104 (representing +4). I use this method, and find it very easy. Also, when you reach 100, you can begin counting 0, 1, 2, 3, etc, instead of 100, 101, 102, etc.

 

[aslan]

If Im playing 8 deck I start my IRC at 0 then after the first deck i should have an advantage at a RC of 11 and then after 2 decks 15, then after 3 19 correct?? or do i just go up by 3 rather then 4? And would my KC be 28?

With one deck dealt, your advantage (1/2%) will be at 11, with two decks dealt, 14, with 3 decks dealt, 17. These would all represent your True Count Key Counts. Your KO Key Count would be 22 in your system.

 

[Blackjackplayer23]

Ok I see what your saying I just couldn't remember the numbers after one deck two and three decks thanks alot for the help

 

[blackchipjim]

Ko

If you are starting at 0 your first advantage would be at 22. That's when your indexs kick in which are few such as standing on 16vs a ten. The betting correlates according to the count up to +4 then your max bet is out and the other indexs kick in. That's the simpilist way to explain it because that's what I started to use. Master the indexs and betting then when you are proficient with that then go on to Drovot's color of bj since it assimilates the same starting counts. If you want precise advantage at a given count the KO book would be the best so you can study it and go back to it.