Lay of tens letter
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Here it is...
... know thy enemy -
From Blackjackforumonline.com
Letter from Surveillance:
While doing some research for a "system" that is new to me I came across your site and found it very interesting. I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I am researching a system called the Lay of Tens Method--or at least that is what I was informed it was called, but I am unable to find any information on it. We have a couple of new players that supposedly are using it (although very badly, because they keep getting their asses kicked) and I would like to learn the proper way to use this system. My limited understanding of this system is that it is not based on counting. You determine the action of your hand based on whether there is a ten or number of tens on the table. These people are standing on 4 through 9 and soft 12 through 16, doubling on blackjack, hitting hard 17 through 19--it is some really stupid play. I would like to really know what they are supposed to be doing, because they cannot be doing it correctly. I hope that you can help because I cannot find any information on this supposed system.
I don't care if you wish to use this email for your site, but please do not post my name and casino. Again, I really liked your site and for the record a lot of us in surveillance see ourselves as the flip side to the counters' coin. You try to take advantage in your play and we try to catch you, a big game.
[Name Withheld]
... know thy enemy -
From Blackjackforumonline.com
Letter from Surveillance:
While doing some research for a "system" that is new to me I came across your site and found it very interesting. I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I am researching a system called the Lay of Tens Method--or at least that is what I was informed it was called, but I am unable to find any information on it. We have a couple of new players that supposedly are using it (although very badly, because they keep getting their asses kicked) and I would like to learn the proper way to use this system. My limited understanding of this system is that it is not based on counting. You determine the action of your hand based on whether there is a ten or number of tens on the table. These people are standing on 4 through 9 and soft 12 through 16, doubling on blackjack, hitting hard 17 through 19--it is some really stupid play. I would like to really know what they are supposed to be doing, because they cannot be doing it correctly. I hope that you can help because I cannot find any information on this supposed system.
I don't care if you wish to use this email for your site, but please do not post my name and casino. Again, I really liked your site and for the record a lot of us in surveillance see ourselves as the flip side to the counters' coin. You try to take advantage in your play and we try to catch you, a big game.
[Name Withheld]
Ten Count
I met a card counter at work who said he is banned from almost all las vegas casinos, we have records of him so I know he is good. He said for me to learn the "ten count." I have never heard of this particular count, anybody know anything about it? He said it would be easy to look up online, but I havent found anything.
I met a card counter at work who said he is banned from almost all las vegas casinos, we have records of him so I know he is good. He said for me to learn the "ten count." I have never heard of this particular count, anybody know anything about it? He said it would be easy to look up online, but I havent found anything.
The Ten's count
The Tens Count is for insurance purposes. Here is how it is played.
Start with a running count of -4*(number of decks).
Each T = -2
Each non-T = +1
If the count ever gets to be positive, then take insurance.
This system (I believe, haven't checked lately) has perfect insurance correlation. It is presented in Wong's "Professional Blackjack."
The Tens Count is for insurance purposes. Here is how it is played.
Start with a running count of -4*(number of decks).
Each T = -2
Each non-T = +1
If the count ever gets to be positive, then take insurance.
This system (I believe, haven't checked lately) has perfect insurance correlation. It is presented in Wong's "Professional Blackjack."
If you want to be a real masochist
Yes the Tens Count does have an IC of 1. There's a usable balanced version of it: 10's are -2, Aces are neutral, everything else is +1, and you sidecount the Aces for betting true count adjustment and you can work the aces back into the insurance count to preserve the IC of 1. I simmed it once and it wasn't half bad, but I can't think of any good reason to use it.
Yes the Tens Count does have an IC of 1. There's a usable balanced version of it: 10's are -2, Aces are neutral, everything else is +1, and you sidecount the Aces for betting true count adjustment and you can work the aces back into the insurance count to preserve the IC of 1. I simmed it once and it wasn't half bad, but I can't think of any good reason to use it.
Where is it?
I couldn't find the post anywhere--I wanted to laugh at that letter!
Anyways, the rule of three/lay of tens may have originated with a clumping system but it has since evolved. It is a quick and easy way to determine the density of tens in a group of cards. Just don't use the information as a clumping system--use it for ST.
I couldn't find the post anywhere--I wanted to laugh at that letter!
Anyways, the rule of three/lay of tens may have originated with a clumping system but it has since evolved. It is a quick and easy way to determine the density of tens in a group of cards. Just don't use the information as a clumping system--use it for ST.
By all means bust this if it's too specific
There aren't that many card games I can think of where counting would apply. Of those few, there's one whose rules seem to coincide with this count, but I was under the impression it wasn't beatable.
I wonder if...
a) this game is beatable after all and I ought to write a quick and dirty sim using this count.
b) this count doesn't make it beatable, but helps slightly while you're playing for comps, cover, or hole cards.
c) I'm thinking of the wrong game.
d) I'm thinking of the wrong game because I mistakenly believe counting doesn't apply to it.
(Hopefully I've kept this sufficiently vague.)
There aren't that many card games I can think of where counting would apply. Of those few, there's one whose rules seem to coincide with this count, but I was under the impression it wasn't beatable.
I wonder if...
a) this game is beatable after all and I ought to write a quick and dirty sim using this count.
b) this count doesn't make it beatable, but helps slightly while you're playing for comps, cover, or hole cards.
c) I'm thinking of the wrong game.
d) I'm thinking of the wrong game because I mistakenly believe counting doesn't apply to it.
(Hopefully I've kept this sufficiently vague.)
I think I know
It's for one particular bet, for one particular game?
If so, eek, that's a tough one, what with the spread you need. Thought about it myself, and being I have a limited number of stores nearby to play in it might be good cover, but I'd better wait until I'm properly capitalized for it.
It's for one particular bet, for one particular game?
If so, eek, that's a tough one, what with the spread you need. Thought about it myself, and being I have a limited number of stores nearby to play in it might be good cover, but I'd better wait until I'm properly capitalized for it.