Maybe someone can tell me if this is a treasure trove or not

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

OK perhaps it should have gone into "online gambling" but here goes.

Small bonus just for filling out an account and claim promotion code. About fifty bucks.

All cards including dealer dealt face up.

Ties to dealer lose.

Natural pays even money.

Double 9, 10,11 (perhaps others but probably just those soft totals)

Split up to four times (maybe just three but at least three)

One card on split aces.

If you get a nineteen and dealer has nineteen or twenty the game automatically hits your hand. Reason? Because a tie loses. Funny, I've gotten three twenty ones on these high hands. Hee hee hee.

Anyway I figured i oughta just keep flat betting a buck and see if my funds keep going up. Resisting the urge to increase bet. ROR and all that crap.

Have tripled my free bonus just in the past hour. Sometimes doubling losses for kicks (remember it ain't my money!)

 

[SleightOfHand]

OK perhaps it should have gone into "online gambling" but here goes.

Small bonus just for filling out an account and claim promotion code. About fifty bucks.

All cards including dealer dealt face up.

Ties to dealer lose.

Natural pays even money.

Double 9, 10,11 (perhaps others but probably just those soft totals)

Split up to four times (maybe just three but at least three)

One card on split aces.

If you get a nineteen and dealer has nineteen or twenty the game automatically hits your hand. Reason? Because a tie loses. Funny, I've gotten three twenty ones on these high hands. Hee hee hee.

Anyway I figured i oughta just keep flat betting a buck and see if my funds keep going up. Resisting the urge to increase bet. ROR and all that crap.

Have tripled my free bonus just in the past hour. Sometimes doubling losses for kicks (remember it ain't my money!)

Thats double exposure blackjack. WoO shows a HE of 1% - 1.5% with optimal strategy.

 

[UK-21]

OK perhaps it should have gone into "online gambling" but here goes.

Small bonus just for filling out an account and claim promotion code. About fifty bucks.

All cards including dealer dealt face up.

Ties to dealer lose.

Natural pays even money.

Double 9, 10,11 (perhaps others but probably just those soft totals)

Split up to four times (maybe just three but at least three)

One card on split aces.

If you get a nineteen and dealer has nineteen or twenty the game automatically hits your hand. Reason? Because a tie loses. Funny, I've gotten three twenty ones on these high hands. Hee hee hee.

Anyway I figured i oughta just keep flat betting a buck and see if my funds keep going up. Resisting the urge to increase bet. ROR and all that crap.

Have tripled my free bonus just in the past hour. Sometimes doubling losses for kicks (remember it ain't my money!)

I would think the clue is in:

Naturals pay even money,

Ties lose to the dealer.

No need to look at anything else really.

The more you play, the greater the chance that the HE will take your money.

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

There's got to be some kind of strategy out there for this one. Similar I suppose to hole card technique.

So far the past three hours it's been a topsy turvy ride.

Up to 150, down to 15

back up to 90 down to 20



Am back up to 120 now all on the original bonus none of my own money. having a great time.

Things I've noticed.

Advantages:

1. Can split tens against weak dealer stiffs. In fact I split a lot more tens than I ever would during real play with shuffled decks. With fast play can split tens almost once per minute.

2. So a lot more doubling and splitting than regular 21.

Disadvantages (besides ties losing, even money naturals etc).

What to do in WEIRD situations? Like dealer showing strange soft totals of three, four, and five? I feel like I should hit my stiff twelves in those kinds of situations.

Keep ya posted. This is phucking fun! Been one my most exciting online experience except for the time I hit four eights on a fifty dollar hold 'em back in 2006.

 

[SleightOfHand]

http://wizardofodds.com/doubleexposure

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Sleight,

Didn't see what the wizard said was the house edge. Wish my printer was up and running as i would print out that strategy right away.

Strange game!

There definitely are some serious advantages. Like with face up cards you would double against dealer's ten showing if you knew he had a strong hole card. Because there are no hole cards...

Up to $210 bucks from my original $45.00 free chip bonus since about 9pm or so. It's a little past midnite now.

Having a hell of a good time!

 

[FLASH1296]

Even Money BJ is almost always a "deal-broker".
I believe that it costs the player 2.35% of equity.

Losing on pushes is very bad news as well ya' know.
Ordinarily, in BJ, we experience about 9% pushes.
Here we hit more hands, hard and soft, so the push % is somewhat less.

The basic strategy e.v. here being worse than −1.0% makes this primarily a sucker trap.

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Even Money BJ is almost always a "deal-broker".
I believe that it costs the player 2.35% of equity.

Losing on pushes is very bad news as well ya' know.
Ordinarily, in BJ, we experience about 9% pushes.
Here we hit more hands, hard and soft, so the push % is somewhat less.

The basic strategy e.v. here being worse than −1.0% makes this primarily a sucker trap.

Agreed the negative ev isn't so good.

However I wonder how it compares to other online standard 21 games?

After all I'm only playing the free bonuses. I think it could be a better deal than the others.

At any rate I cashed out this am at just under 500 bucks.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Congratulations on your good luck. Not to be mean but that is all it is :grin:

 

[muppet]

Have tripled my free bonus just in the past hour. Sometimes doubling losses for kicks (remember it ain't my money!
...
After all I'm only playing the free bonuses.

it looks like you're reasoning that it's not as bad to lose money won through the bonus, as compared to losing money 'out of pocket.'

this is a flaw in logic. money is worth the same no matter what the source is. it is not worth less just because it is 'new money' that you didn't have a few days ago.

aside from that, congrats on getting lucky and ending up ahead

 

[Sucker]

it looks like you're reasoning that it's not as bad to lose money won through the bonus, as compared to losing money 'out of pocket.'

this is a flaw in logic. money is worth the same no matter what the source is. it is not worth less just because it is 'new money' that you didn't have a few days ago.

In every gambling site that I know of; bonus money is worth zero, unless you play with real money first. It then gets added to your account in increments.

The trick is to make sure that upon completion of the required amount of hands in order to receive your full bonus, you haven't given up more EV than the value of the bonus. Which is why the OP is asking the question to begin with, so he can determine what kind of net value he's getting.

 

[muppet]

hmm i dunno that isnt quite the impression i got from the op - i may be wrong

 

[Sucker]

You may also be right. I'll rephrase my statement, just in case: "It SHOULD be why he's asking the question".

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Congratulations on your good luck. Not to be mean but that is all it is :grin:

Luck is all we have sometimes.

the reason i find face up 21 interesting isn't the odds per se. More that when i get lucky I get REALLY lucky. There is a rational reasoning here besides "luck".

If I am fortunate enough to get a bunch of two card twenties against dealer stiffs? especially on larger bets? There is that splendid opportunity to split twenties in situations you would never split them. Thus when the going is good it is very good.

 

[Deathclutch]

Luck is all we have sometimes.

the reason i find face up 21 interesting isn't the odds per se. More that when i get lucky I get REALLY lucky. There is a rational reasoning here besides "luck".

If I am fortunate enough to get a bunch of two card twenties against dealer stiffs? especially on larger bets? There is that splendid opportunity to split twenties in situations you would never split them. Thus when the going is good it is very good.

Don't split unless the composition of the deck says it is profitable (more profItable than standing.). Do not split without next card info.

Keep relying on luck and this post will be remembered under famous last words.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

If I am fortunate enough to get a bunch of two card twenties against dealer stiffs? especially on larger bets? There is that splendid opportunity to split twenties in situations you would never split them. Thus when the going is good it is very good.

Think about this for a second. Say you were playing a regular BJ game and for some reason the dealer showed you both of their cards. Splitting Ts against a stiff would definitely be a big statistical advantage. But what if all of a sudden you were getting even money on naturals and losing pushes? Would the excitement from being able to be a big favorite on a hand where you split Ts against a stiff be enough to compensate for the huge disadvantage that you had to play through to get there? Of course not! It's nice that you got lucky and cashed out ahead, but don't fool yourself. The reason DE and other blackjack variations are popular is because they use favorable rules (like an exposed dealer hole card) to trick people into thinking the game is somehow beatable. Of course in some circumstances DE is in fact beatable, but rest assured that this is not one of them.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

the reason i find face up 21 interesting isn't the odds per se. More that when i get lucky I get REALLY lucky. There is a rational reasoning here besides "luck".

Oh, and no, there is no rational reason for you getting REALLY lucky at this or any other game that is not directly related to the odds of you winning.

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Don't split unless the composition of the deck says it is profitable (more profItable than standing.). Do not split without next card info.

Keep relying on luck and this post will be remembered under famous last words.

All due respect i don't think we're on the same page here.

1. This is online gambling with the so-called "free chips". Which are, by definition (someone already mentioned) so filled with disqualifiers as to be almost worthless. Good practice though before depositing real money and getting the huge bonuses without quite as many tricks attached to the cash outs.

2. In "face up" 21 you will get many many opportunities to split tens. forget about "the remaining composition of the deck" as counting is worthless in a random, online program deal.

3. The chips are free so it is impossible to go broke. In fact since it is very very hard to meet the cash out requirements it is exceedingly difficult to get ANY money back. It resembles play/practice much more than "playing for real money".

What i do like about the free chips is that they give me an understandning of each individual online casino's games, table limits, rules etc.

So when or if I do actually deposit some real money (only with HUGE bonuses mind you) I can know what to expect. I'm gonna have to go back and check Sleight's table on splits. I just split tens against dealer's 17 on a hundred dollar bet over at Virtual casino and won two hundred on TWO twenties. My guess is that I should probably have stayed on the twenty but what the heck? Probably a marginal call anyway.

Best,

Irish

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I personally would never split 10s against a dealer 17, there is no way it would even be close.

In this game six of the thirteen cards will LOSE against this seventeen, since you lose pushes.

Compare this to standing, where you will win fully 100% of the time with 20 vs. 17.

 

[Deathclutch]

All due respect i don't think we're on the same page here.

1. This is online gambling with the so-called "free chips". Which are, by definition (someone already mentioned) so filled with disqualifiers as to be almost worthless. Good practice though before depositing real money and getting the huge bonuses without quite as many tricks attached to the cash outs.

2. In "face up" 21 you will get many many opportunities to split tens. forget about "the remaining composition of the deck" as counting is worthless in a random, online program deal.

3. The chips are free so it is impossible to go broke. In fact since it is very very hard to meet the cash out requirements it is exceedingly difficult to get ANY money back. It resembles play/practice much more than "playing for real money".

What i do like about the free chips is that they give me an understandning of each individual online casino's games, table limits, rules etc.

So when or if I do actually deposit some real money (only with HUGE bonuses mind you) I can know what to expect. I'm gonna have to go back and check Sleight's table on splits. I just split tens against dealer's 17 on a hundred dollar bet over at Virtual casino and won two hundred on TWO twenties. My guess is that I should probably have stayed on the twenty but what the heck? Probably a marginal call anyway.

Best,

Irish

My fault on forgetting this was in an online casino. Your best bet then is most likely to follow BS and lose as little as possible until you meet the cash out requirements. Good luck! (Oops didn't I just harass you about that?)