My advantage play book

[standard toaster]

So after about 50 attempts in the other thread i could not get a single thing to work. Im sure everyone gave up on it already so ill try in the counting section.... because now i got to the actual counting part! lol

Ill cut right to the chace here is the file in a pdf format that everyone should now be able to view. There is no download required.

I was looking for everyone to pick apart basicaly anything they thought was incorrect or not needed, Likewise if i need to add more let me know. I will be updating regularly.

(Dead link: http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=988174&da=y)

so this is just two days work i think im coming to a great start

the only problem is the basic strategy charts do not show up as well as the rule change effect chart. This was basically the chart saying 2 to 1 blackjack is +2.27% and about 20 others.
Other than that the format is a little off on the pdf but manageable.

looking forward to criticism.

 

[UK-21]

Would suggest verifying the house edge figures - I'm pretty sure that Carribbean Stud does not have a HE of just 1.46%.

I's also respectfully suggest re-writing the passage re "ALWAYS split aces". You wouldn't in the ENHC game where the dealer has one too.

Is this a dissertation as part of a college course etc ?

 

[SD Padres]

Hey Standard Toaster,

Nice job over all on your paper. It got a little confusing though when you were explaining the Hi-Lo. I've been counting for years and if I'm confused then the average citizen would be even more so. Also, you said to ignore the 6-9's but I think you meant to say 7-9's. You might want to fix that. Other than that it looks pretty good.

 

[standard toaster]

Hey Standard Toaster,

Nice job over all on your paper. It got a little confusing though when you were explaining the Hi-Lo. I've been counting for years and if I'm confused then the average citizen would be even more so. Also, you said to ignore the 6-9's but I think you meant to say 7-9's. You might want to fix that. Other than that it looks pretty good.

Ill go back and check over the hi lo section i didnt spend much time editing that part.
And thank you for catching that 6-9 that could have caused some problems

Would suggest verifying the house edge figures - I'm pretty sure that Carribbean Stud does not have a HE of just 1.46%.

I's also respectfully suggest re-writing the passage re "ALWAYS split aces". You wouldn't in the ENHC game where the dealer has one too.

Is this a dissertation as part of a college course etc ?

you are right the wizard says its an edge of 2.55

also i will mention the ENHC games and that situation

and lets just say it is for a college project



thank you guys for helping out I know it was a long article and its only going to get longer :grin:

 

[21forme]

You list the HE for Sp21 at 8%. Are you including the Match the Dealer side bet, or did you mean to write 0.8% ?

 

[standard toaster]

You list the HE for Sp21 at 8%. Are you including the Match the Dealer side bet, or did you mean to write 0.8% ?

hm i just looked at the chart and found a few problems... i got this right off the wizards site i cant seem to find it again though. in transfering some of the house edges i must have skipped a row


spanish 21 was meant to be .78%


the chart is now

Blackjack .75%
Baccarat 1.2%
Big 6 or 8 15.53%
Craps 1.58%
Caribbean Stud 5.22%
Let It Ride 2.4%
Pai Gow 1.65%
Pai Gow Poker 1.96%
Roulette 5.26%
Single 0 Roulette 2.59%
Casino War 2.87%
Spanish 21 .78%
Keno 25-35%


while were at it any complaints for the rule change effect on the player
this chart did not show up in the pdf

Blackjack Pays 2 to 1 +2.27%
Five card Charlie +1.46%
Suited blackjack pays 2 to 1 +0.57%
Player 21 is an auto winner +0.54%
Early surrender against an ace (ES) +0.39%
Early surrender (ES) +0.24%
5 card or more 21 automatically pays 2 to 1 +0.24%
Player may double on any # of cards +0.23%
Ace and 10 after splitting ace is a blackjack +0.19%
Player may resplit aces +0.08%
Late surrender(LS) +0.07%
Late surrender against ace (LS) +0.00%
Split to only 2 hands -0.01%
No-peek ace showing -0.01%
Player may only double 9-11 -0.09%
No peek ten showing -0.10%
Player may not resplit -0.10%
No hole card -0.11%
No double after split (NoDAS) -0.14%
Double 10 & 11 only -0.18%
Split aces not allowed -0.18%
Dealer hits soft 17 (H17) -0.22%
Blackjack pays 6-5 -1.39%
Blackjack pays 1 to 1 -2.27%

 

[FLASH1296]

Firstly, let me say KUDOS to the author for a very promising start.

I skimmed through your work and was glad that the November revenue report from the A.C. Casinos was referenced, as that is something that every gambler should see. I am looking forward to reading the December revenue report when it becomes available in less than two weeks.

House Advantage is, of course, a topic of profound importance.

The Span 21 figure is actually about -.4 to -8%, depending on the rules in play.

What is NOT obvious is that that figure does not exist in the real world.

Those figures require perfect basic strategy in a complicated game.

Of course, it is crucial to make the point that that House Advantage is for Perfect Basic Strategy play, which for Span 21 I have NEVER seen in actual play. I would estimate that the average ploppy, (using mostly what amounts to an imperfect and weak version of (regular) BJ Basic Strategy), is probably being battered by an e.v. that is, perhaps -3.5 to -5% relegating it to the classification of what is known in the the casino world as a "carnival games" e.g. Three Card Poker, Caribbean Stud, etc.

The figure given for Pai Gow Poker needs correction.

Look at it logically. If the player's strategy was good enough to win 50% of the hands [it isn't] then the house would enjoy the 5% commission on 50% of the hands, which equates to 2.5%, but it is worse than that for three reasons: Less than expert play by the public is common. A hand that is not "set" correctly is called a "fouled" hand and is an automatic loser. Also, and more importantly, when the dealer and the player have a tied hand, e.g. having the same pair as their "front pair" - that is NOT a push. It is called a "copy hand" The player loses ! How often does this happen? You would think it is very uncommon. The probability that the front hands will copy is 2.55%. The probability that the back hands will copy is 0.10%, for a total of 2.65%

Obviously, the House Edge is somewhere north of 2.5%.

May I suggest that you check all of your House Advantage figures at http://wizardofodds.com/, a great trustworthy knowledgable resource.

 

[standard toaster]

Firstly, let me say KUDOS to the author for a very promising start.

I skimmed through your work and was glad that the November revenue report from the A.C. Casinos was referenced, as that is something that every gambler should see. I am looking forward to reading the December revenue report when it becomes available in less than two weeks.

House Advantage is, of course, a topic of profound importance.

The Span 21 figure is actually about -.4 to -8%, depending on the rules in play.

What is NOT obvious is that that figure does not exist in the real world.

Those figures require perfect basic strategy in a complicated game.

Of course, it is crucial to make the point that that House Advantage is for Perfect Basic Strategy play, which for Span 21 I have NEVER seen in actual play. I would estimate that the average ploppy, (using mostly what amounts to an imperfect and weak version of (regular) BJ Basic Strategy), is probably being battered by an e.v. that is, perhaps -3.5 to -5% relegating it to the classification of what is known in the the casino world as a "carnival games" e.g. Three Card Poker, Caribbean Stud, etc.

The figure given for Pai Gow Poker needs correction.

Look at it logically. If the player's strategy was good enough to win 50% of the hands [it isn't] then the house would enjoy the 5% commission on 50% of the hands, which equates to 2.5%, but it is worse than that for three reasons: Less than expert play by the public is common. A hand that is not "set" correctly is called a "fouled" hand and is an automatic loser. Also, and more importantly, when the dealer and the player have a tied hand, e.g. having the same pair as their "front pair" - that is NOT a push. It is called a "copy hand" The player loses ! How often does this happen? You would think it is very uncommon. The probability that the front hands will copy is 2.55%. The probability that the back hands will copy is 0.10%, for a total of 2.65%

Obviously, the House Edge is somewhere north of 2.5%.

May I suggest that you check all of your House Advantage figures at http://wizardofodds.com/, a great trustworthy knowledgable resource.

Thank you for your reply flash but you were a minute to late for the HE adjustments they were fixed in the post above

the funny thing is i did check all my percentages with the WOO but still screwed it up somehow

As for the ac reports i thank you for that. It was your post that made me put it in there. I thought it was very interesting

 

[standard toaster]

Just started with betting structure. Updated copy should be up tomorrow

 

[ChefJJ]

Firstly, let me say KUDOS to the author for a very promising start.

I gotta agree with FLASH here.

good luck and keep it up.

 

[rukus]

havent had a chance to read in detail but i did like the sims on martingale vs flat betting. also check your footnotes - QFIT does not supply CBJN, Wong does via bj21.com.

 

[standard toaster]

havent had a chance to read in detail but i did like the sims on martingale vs flat betting. also check your footnotes - QFIT does not supply CBJN, Wong does via bj21.com.

Oh good catch fixed... and after all the CBJN issues ive bought :laugh: