New to the board and.....

rwbbj · Jan 3, 2011

Hey all, I'm new to B.J and even newer to C.C'ing. I am looking for a forum which I can call home. So far so good. You have a wealth of information already and a ton of helpful links, I think you will be seeing a lot of me. I am looking for help and equally enjoy helping others as well!

Here is some history about me before I get into asking any questions or whatnot:
Currently I am playing at UB.com
Here are the basic rules if interested(?):
* UB Blackjack features a 6 deck shoe
* All cards are shuffled before each hand
* Double down after splits are allowed
* Dealer must hit on Soft 17
* Splitting Aces deals one card down
* Player may split up to 3 hands
* Insurance Pays 2 to 1
* Blackjack pays 3 to 2
* Insurance is 1/2 of initial bet or remaining balance - whichever is less
* Late surrender

reason being is that it has a .10cent min $20.00 max game and even though I am as NEW as they come (appx.1 week experience) I like to play for REAL MONEY. The profits are slow right now but I make $$ every session I play. I am using the "basic strategy" along with my own REFINED version of the MARTINGALE betting strategy. Martingale on its own....I lost money...and fast. But with my own spin on it I seem to be winning bit by bit EVERY time I play!

I want to start learning CC (hi-lo strategy) 23456 = +1 789 = 0 10 JQKA = -1
and have done a lot of research and studying and seem to have failed on "Fun Money" games and have a few questions I was hoping to get answered, or clarified.
Q1. Does a "Running Count" include EVERY card that is delt. Meaning I count every card *mine & the dealers* in a 52 card single person game? I'm 99% sure the answer is YES but I just want clarification.

Q2. also how important is it to have a true count vs. a running count in "single deck" 1 player game when betting using the hi-lo system? All of the above stated rules apply(as far as I know?)

Q3. I'M SURE this one has been asked a MILLION times, but is there any FREE card counting software for the Hi-Lo strategy with the above stated card values? I have looked EVERYWHERE with NO LUCK YET

I have a couple other questions but I'll just leave it at this 4 now!
MUCH APPRECIATED to all and anyone who reply!!
Thank You, much respect...
rwbbj

The reason for me asking about "single person/deck" games using the hi-lo C.C system is because I FIGURED it is easier and more ACCURATE playing with only 1 deck as opposed to playing with 6 decks in the single person .10cent game? Even thou the stakes are higher(.90cets+ +...), I would believe the odds of winning are higher as well. The "UB" single deck/player game has a $1.00 min and a $500. max betting spread. I would like to learn/graduate to Card Counting and apply it to this particular game and see how things go using these techniques/strategies.

zengrifter · Jan 3, 2011

Thats one of the better link spam posts I've seen. z:laugh:g

mathman · Jan 3, 2011

zengrifter said:

Definately! A+ for effort...

Canceler · Jan 3, 2011

zengrifter said:

I was almost ready to disregard my “Post count of 1 and a link in the post = spam for sure” rule for this one, but I expect you’re right. Maybe we could place bets on whether he’ll continue to post after his link gets zapped. :laugh:

apex · Jan 3, 2011

ZG saved me!

I was just about to respond "you can't count online because they shuff..."

Then I read ZGs post advising that it is spam, scrolled up to see the link, and it all made sense.

Now I will know how to spot it. My internet wisdom has increased thanks to ZG! You can learn a lot on these forums.:laugh:

KenSmith · Jan 3, 2011

The "first-post-has-a-link-disallowed-by-rules" delete is a pretty easy call for the moderators, even when it looks like it could be legit. This poster contacted me to plead his case though, so he's back.

While we're at it, original poster, are you aware of the UB.com cheating scandal? You should probably reconsider where you are playing.

zengrifter · Jan 4, 2011

KenSmith said:

Thats like the times I pleaded my case successfully to be reinstated to play BJ at Horseshoe and Mirage! z:laugh:g

zengrifter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

reason being is that it has a .10cent min $20.00 max game and even though I am as NEW as they come (appx.1 week experience) I like to play for REAL MONEY. The profits are slow right now but I make $$ every session I play. I am using the "basic strategy" along with my own REFINED version of the MARTINGALE betting strategy. Martingale on its own....I lost money...and fast. But with my own spin on it I seem to be winning bit by bit EVERY time I play!

What you describe is a losing strategy. zg

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

Okay, Much respect to you all and especially KenSmith 4 allowing me a "PASS" on making a foolish error and not READING the rules! In retrospect...YES this looks like a "cut and paste" SPAM scam thread. But it's not or I wouldn't be back, nor would I have wasted my time contacting KenSmith pleading him to reinstate my Forum account.

As previously mentioned, this site has helped me out immensely and has a wealth of invaluable information ESPECIALLY for a "BJ rookie" such as myself, why would I want to exile myself from what appears to be the BEST blackjack site on the entire WEB?!?! (IMHO)

I hope you "ALL" can look past my mistake as KenSmith did and grant me a 2nd chance to be an active member and part of the blackjackinfo community!

I apologize for the mix up & thank you again for your understanding!

Much Respect to you all,
rwbbj

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

KenSmith said:

NO not at all or I wouldn't have started playing there. I will take your advice and look into it!!

MUCH THANKS "KS"

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

apex said:

I have only played there for "Fun Money" in a single deck game and yes they do shuffle (I suppose), but what does it matter if they shuffle or not(?)

They still have the same cards left in the deck, be it 2-6 789 or 10JQKA. In addition the cards played are left exposed (face up) on the table at the END of each hand until you press "deal", which I thought would give you an advantage because you can take your TIME and "write down" your hi-lo count then divide for a "true count" and know the EXACT cards that have been played so you can tally EXACTLY whats left in the deck right down to the value and SUITE if you wanted. Wouldn't that give the player an edge over the house?

If I'm wrong PLEASE explain, I've only been playing a little over a week so I am as green as the come!!

Thanks,
rwbbj

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

zengrifter said:

WRONG.

the Basic strategy approach (got the chart here/Thanks blackjackinfo) which I memorized for this particular game "combined" with The Martingale REFINED with my own approach, which is not the same as "by the book" has won me about $80 in two days @ 10cent ++ etc.. hands .and $40 last night at the casino playing a "virtual BJ" game, Single deck @ $1.00 plus per hand! I went with $20 and left with $60 and had FUN doing it!

Look, I NEED to learn how to C.C, as I believe I am doing pretty good for a dude who has only been play'n cards for only ONE WEEK! (no joke) lol

If I can make make a little here and a little there doing what I'm doing....
Once I learn how to C.C I believe there is a possibility for me to have alot of fun and bring home some 1/2 decent winning's as well if I play small and sensible untill I have MORE experience under my belt.

As for MY approach, it's not by the books. NO not at all, or I would have lost like I did at 1st. But "NOW" with my own revisions to the Martingale and Basic Strategy implementation I'm in the pluses and growing...not in the minuses (-)

*Forgot to mention*
I know this is 'chump change' to most players but for a guy who had ZIP and is making money while he is LEARNING it can be pretty exciting!!

bjcardcounter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

I have only played there for "Fun Money" in a single deck game and yes they do shuffle (I suppose), but what does it matter if they shuffle or not(?)

They still have the same cards left in the deck, be it 2-6 789 or 10JQKA. In addition the cards played are left exposed (face up) on the table at the END of each hand until you press "deal", which I thought would give you an advantage because you can take your TIME and "write down" your hi-lo count then divide for a "true count" and know the EXACT cards that have been played so you can tally EXACTLY whats left in the deck right down to the value and SUITE if you wanted. Wouldn't that give the player an edge over the house?

If I'm wrong PLEASE explain, I've only been playing a little over a week so I am as green as the come!!

Thanks,
rwbbj

You earlier mentioned you played a 6D game and they shuffle after each hand for which apex replied there is no point counting. When they Shuffle, YOUR COUNT drops back to the starting point.

bjcardcounter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

Zg is a one liner. Perhaps I have tried explaining more,

It won you money - once , twice , 3 times - Let is be It could have been only a fluctuation, but in the long run you will lose because you are playing in a negative expectation game. Basic strategy and martingale does not improve your odds more than what casino holds - unless your martingale shadows a Counting strategy which it will never. People even lose money at high counts.
This is a good read http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13026 .

zengrifter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

Unfortunately you are wrong. You are playing with a negative mathematical expectation -
- your short-term results mean nothing. And you cannot use counting with online casinos.

So PLEASE immediately stop playing. zg

zengrifter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

bjcardcounter said:

AHH, I see...I thought I was doing something wrong mathematically but now I understand. Thank you both VERY much! This better explains why I would keep losing while playing with "Fun Money"(so to speak)!!

much thanks and respect,
rwbbj

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

bjcardcounter said:

WOW, that was an epic post! I have a hunch that he is still dabbling in the game of BJ here and there, but who am I to make assumptions.

Anyhow, thanks for the link, Great read....

respect,
rwbbj

rwbbj · Jan 4, 2011

zengrifter said:

YES, from a mathematical standpoint you are right!

But I am determined to continue LEARNING the game of Blackjack and hope to have the support of fellow players in this community. I HAVE NOT applied C.C to ANY of my games but am determined to do so. With GUIDANCE and proper TECHNIQUE I believe I will be successful, to some extent. Even if it is only for self gratification!

Right now, I'm simply having fun and winning some pocket change at the same time.

respect,
rwbbj

bjcardcounter · Jan 4, 2011

rwbbj said:

We are not discouraging you. We only told you that playing the BS you have a -ve expectation.

When you learn and apply the count to bet, you turn your odds in your favor. That's when it is a positive expectation game but it does not happen all the time. Card counting will instruct you to be less when the odds are not in your favor and high when odds are on your side. But it does not mean you can win all the time. You only have an edge. Luck/Fluctuation will have to aid you obviously. I am not sure if there is a free Card counting Drill Software available but CVBJ has been considered the best. First invest in a book, then practice drill, play for small stakes in a casino, build your bankroll and bet as per your expected value. Welcome aboard!

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