People at the table?

[blackchipjim]

Afternoon to all, I'd to pose the question to all of us that not only play but also interact with the others at the table. I know alot of us concentrate at the table and all,but the in between the shuffles or end of shoes is a good time to act as if we are just one of other players. Does anyone have a good story and I do mean positive story on the people at the table. I always meet and shoot the breeze with others and find very interesting people at the table.They come from all walks of life and parts of the country to sit and take their best shot at winning. I have alot of great people that I met and some not so.. blackchipjim:laugh:

 

[jimpenn]

I have a good story...get rid of as many people as you can at the table when count is high. Normally does not make for good neighbors.

 

[sagefr0g]

i've a fascination with the other people at the tables. you get all types of people and if you are a people watcher like me it's fun. great entertainment for the most part although there can be some that are irritating. have to agree with Jpenn that it's nice to see them all go when the count is positive and then it's nice to see them sit and play when the shoe goes negative.
i enjoy just watching craps tables the people and the action. also i like watching people play slots. i guess i get a vicarious experience out of it.

 

[sheermadness40]

Plaza AC Birthday

We were celebrating my 40th B-Day and the table was hot, I mean no one had left their seat for a couple of hours. As Tony the dealer knew it was my birthday, he kept congradulating me. People at the table were rubbing my head for luck, it was funny as hell. I had a few drinks and got up, having my place held. When I got back the whole table had ordered a shot and they sang to me and then we toasted. End of the day I was 700+ and probably was the only woman that couldn't cared less I was 40! :laugh:

 

[gDGBD]

One of the most fun (and strangest) times I've had playing occurred last spring in Vegas. My wife was in our hotel room resting up before dinner, and I was playing at a $25 table, betting $25-$50 a hand. The rules were decent: 6D, S17, DAS, and surrender.

I struck up a conversation with a guy from Denmark two seats away who was in town for a convention. As luck would have it, it seemed I couldn’t lose a hand and he couldn’t win one. I wasn’t counting, just playing basic strategy, but pretty soon I was up about $600. After a while, the guy asks the dealer if he can place bets on my betting circle. The dealer said if it was OK with me, it was OK with the house. I told the guy it was fine with me, but I warned him that I played “by the book.” He said OK and began to bet $100-$300 a hand on my circle, in addition to a smaller amount on his own. I was pretty uneasy when the first surrender situation came up, but he simply said, “You’re the boss” as the dealer took half of each of our bets. Luck continued to run the same way: I won most of my (our) hands, and we sure had a ball high-fiving each time we both increased our bets and won.

At one point when he left to go to the bathroom, he put about ten blacks in front of me and said to bet them as I saw fit while he was gone! After betting $100 of his on the first hand and losing, I told myself this was getting way too surreal and that I’d better not risk any more of his chips in his absence. Talk about trust!

After about 45 minutes of playing this way, my wife came by the table and said it was time for dinner. At this point, I was up about $1500, and the Dane had won several thousand. I figured it wouldn’t be a good idea to tempt fate any longer, so I left after high-fiving my partner like crazy. What a blast.

 

[Cass]

good way to clear em off!

I have a good story...get rid of as many people as you can at the table when count is high. Normally does not make for good neighbors.

This weekend I was playing in a negative count. I hit my 12 vs. 5. The other player at the table was a middle aged asian woman. She yelled out," NO! why you hit dat?!" I pulled a ten and busted. Dealer hit to 18 and took her bet. next hand dealer hits a twenty one and the woman angerly slammed her hand on the table and yelled something inaudible. I honestly thought she was going to attack me. She left the table after that hand.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Be careful with that

This weekend I was playing in a negative count. I hit my 12 vs. 5. The other player at the table was a middle aged asian woman. She yelled out," NO! why you hit dat?!" I pulled a ten and busted. Dealer hit to 18 and took her bet. next hand dealer hits a twenty one and the woman angerly slammed her hand on the table and yelled something inaudible. I honestly thought she was going to attack me. She left the table after that hand.

The last thing you want to do is get into a physical altercation with a player. I'm not saying you should alter your advantageous play on account of it, but don't give in to the temptation to do things just to piss them off. A lot of these people are drunks and/or mentally unstable where gambling is concerned so you never can be totally sure how someone will react.

Besides, hand interaction where you double and split with others is very lucrative and you need to make friends with the other players to do that.

 

[mdlbj]

I have yet to play on the east coast.. After reading a few posts, I am assuming that people get a little pissed at the tables there?

 

[jimpenn]

Hand Interaction....How can it help the person permitting another person to participate in for example a 11 vs 9 double? If the owner of the hand accepts offer he has to stand after receiving card on double. If it's low he is at a disavantage. What benefit is it for him to let me put the money up for the double if he can't afford it or just does not want to play the double. I am not aware of any player splitting win with person permitting double. Don't get me wrong, I always jump at the chance to make a good interaction play, but it's not good for the person permitting it. Maybe I'm missing something...please explain.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Hand Interaction....How can it help the person permitting another person to participate in for example a 11 vs 9 double? If the owner of the hand accepts offer he has to stand after receiving card on double. If it's low he is at a disavantage. What benefit is it for him to let me put the money up for the double if he can't afford it or just does not want to play the double. I am not aware of any player splitting win with person permitting double. Don't get me wrong, I always jump at the chance to make a good interaction play, but it's not good for the person permitting it. Maybe I'm missing something...please explain.

You're right, it's not. But how many times have we seen it, someone doubling for less? They are screwing themselves whether or not we go down with them. So if they're going to do it anyway, I'm willing to take a benefit from it.

One way we do help them is in the case of a split where they don't have the money. But we have to be careful on this and know the difference between an offensive and a defensive split. There is no benefit for us to partner on a defensive split.

 

[shadroch]

But it can be to your advantage to pawn off a defensive split.SAy that you have bailed a person out a few times,taking one of his pairs when it was to your advantage.Now you get a pair of 8s.Remind your newest bestest friend that you guys are partners and hoist one of them off on him,.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

But it can be to your advantage to pawn off a defensive split.SAy that you have bailed a person out a few times,taking one of his pairs when it was to your advantage.Now you get a pair of 8s.Remind your newest bestest friend that you guys are partners and hoist one of them off on him,.

You're absolutely right about that. I'm not personally comfortable using my skills to take advantage of civilians, and I'd rather have good karma than the extra 0.01% overall EV. (Maybe that's why I'm not a great poker player.) Although I do take advantage of civilians sometimes, a move that makes one of them put more money on the table on a disadvantageous bet, that's something I can live without doing.

Now advanced techniques like cutting low cards out of play, that's way more powerful and helps everybody at the table.

 

[sagefr0g]

You're absolutely right about that. I'm not personally comfortable using my skills to take advantage of civilians, and I'd rather have good karma than the extra 0.01% overall EV. (Maybe that's why I'm not a great poker player.) Although I do take advantage of civilians sometimes, a move that makes one of them put more money on the table on a disadvantageous bet, that's something I can live without doing.

Now advanced techniques like cutting low cards out of play, that's way more powerful and helps everybody at the table.

this is an area of concern for myself as well. i have no disinclination as far as making any play action against the house in regards to how it may affect the other players but when it comes to inducing the action of another player that is likely to cost that player and benifit me that is where i draw the line.
in your post http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=22096&postcount=14
you seem to have a different opinion regarding the house with respect to your alluding to karma above. probably i'm off base here but in my own perception i don't cast any judgement upon the house. from my personal perspective i see the house ready, able and willing to take advantage of me hence i have no problem taking the same type of advantage of them. since the house's action treats the ploppies and myself with equal tact i consider myself on the moral high ground. :devil:

 

[blackchipjim]

people

Morining Gents, I had a similiar thing happen to me awhile back. I was playing a 10min table and was doing pretty good, that is when the person next to me would not play correctly. Time and time again when the person next to me would not take the hit( I was playing third base) I would and win the hand.Here's the problem,after the gentleman original player left an elderly gentleman sat down and after a short while asked for help on playing his hands. Needless to say I started to help him and my luck ran out. Time after time he asked and I told and got kicked in the arse. I enjoyed watching him win but after awhile I couldn't take it any more and excused myself and found another table. He did quit a while later a winner and came by and thanked me for my help. I'm a full believer in whatever goes around comes around and treat people the way I want to be treated. I wil change a table if it turns hostile I don't feel the need to be uncomfortable when playing. blackchipjim:cry:

 

[shadroch]

I keep a big cheap cigar handy for when the table gets nasty.

 

[Renzey]

Hand Interaction Immoral?

Suppose it's just another day in the green felt jungle where you're playing blackjack with two other ploppies -- nothing new. In a modestly positive count, you double A/8 against a 5 and catch a 10. The dealer turns over a 7, then hits it with a 9 to make 21 and sweeps the board. Seeing that your 10 would've busted the dealer, they both begin to chide you for your shoddy play.
Next shoe with a slightly negative count, you hit 12 against a 4 and catch a 6. Already perturbed over your last "rulebreaker", they again throw their arms up in protest even before the hand is played out. The dealer turns up a 5, then a 10 for 19 and sweeps the board again -- when it would've been another dealer bust had you stood on 12 vs. 4. Mere admonishments now become insults of, "Can you believe this guy?", and "That's gotta' be one of the worst moves I've ever seen!" But hey, you're used to it -- you absorb this kind of abuse every day.

Next hand, you get 7/7 against a deuce. You know your best play is to split, but even then you'll win on each 7 only 46% of the time. So with a puzzled look on your face, you quizzically ask the pseudo-experts, "What are you supposed to do with this one?" Never short of advice, one quickly decrees, "Split'em in a heartbeat, Man." The other jumps right in with, "Nothin' to think about -- a textbook split." Looking unsure, you ask if somebody wants to take on of your 7's. Thinking that since it's a basic strategy split, they both jump at the notion of getting part of a "moneymaking" hand from some goofball who doesn't know any better. So you sell each of them a 7 and get out of the hand altogether. What's your moral opinion of what you've just done?

 

[zengrifter]

So you sell each of them a 7 and get out of the hand altogether. What's your moral opinion of what you've just done?

I played it like a pro and made other people happy as they took advantage of my ignorance - the best of all worlds. BUT it would be better to run them off. zg

 

[positiveEV]

Suppose it's just another day in the green felt jungle where you're playing blackjack with two other ploppies -- nothing new. In a modestly positive count, you double A/8 against a 5 and catch a 10. The dealer turns over a 7, then hits it with a 9 to make 21 and sweeps the board. Seeing that your 10 would've busted the dealer, they both begin to chide you for your shoddy play.
Next shoe with a slightly negative count, you hit 12 against a 4 and catch a 6. Already perturbed over your last "rulebreaker", they again throw their arms up in protest even before the hand is played out. The dealer turns up a 5, then a 10 for 19 and sweeps the board again -- when it would've been another dealer bust had you stood on 12 vs. 4. Mere admonishments now become insults of, "Can you believe this guy?", and "That's gotta' be one of the worst moves I've ever seen!" But hey, you're used to it -- you absorb this kind of abuse every day.

Next hand, you get 7/7 against a deuce. You know your best play is to split, but even then you'll win on each 7 only 46% of the time. So with a puzzled look on your face, you quizzically ask the pseudo-experts, "What are you supposed to do with this one?" Never short of advice, one quickly decrees, "Split'em in a heartbeat, Man." The other jumps right in with, "Nothin' to think about -- a textbook split." Looking unsure, you ask if somebody wants to take on of your 7's. Thinking that since it's a basic strategy split, they both jump at the notion of getting part of a "moneymaking" hand from some goofball who doesn't know any better. So you sell each of them a 7 and get out of the hand altogether. What's your moral opinion of what you've just done?

I personally would not consider it immoral at all. In an exchange like that, if both parties accept, then this mean both parties are happy with what they get, therefore both parties profit of the trade and this is what make it a fair trade. You know your hand won't win statistically and the other want to participate in the split, therefore offering him the occasion to do so will make both of you happy.

Let's say you sell a watch for $5,000 and it's worth $500. Then someone who wanted the watch really bad come to you and buy it for 10x what you paid for it, is it immoral? Did you did something wrong? No, both of you wanted something in the deal and both of you got what you wanted in the deal: you got your money and the guy got his watch for the price you were advertising it, if both parties are happy with a trade, then the trade is fair since everyone benefit from it, even if someone pay too much he still get what he want, there is nothing to feel bad about!

 

[ScottH]

I have yet to play on the east coast.. After reading a few posts, I am assuming that people get a little pissed at the tables there?

People always get pissed because most people at the casino are not having fun because they are LOSING.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

People always get pissed because most people at the casino are not having fun because they are LOSING.

Pissed is right. An East Coast dealer told me a player once got up and urinated on him, and this has happened to several dealers in that store. I myself have gotten countless strong insults and threats, but never any physical abuse from a player.