Per Hand Commission

[MadMax]

There is an Indian Casino fairly close to where I live and I knew that they had bj tables, so I thought that I would go check it out. I read over the rules and they were decent: dealer stand on all 17, double any 2, split up to 4 times, double after split. They only had 6 deck shoes, but that was all right, I didn't intend to play there on a regular basis.

So, I cash into the game and place the minimum bet (it was halfway through the shoe), and the dealer reached over and grabbed a $.50 chip off my stack. I asked the lady next to me why he did that, and she said that it was a mandatory $.50 per hand "commission". wtf? Needless to say, I didn't stay too long.

Has anyone else ever heard of that? Is it typical of Indian Casinos?

I ended up breaking even, but in actuality I was up $.50 per hand, for however many hands I played. But that profit was not in my pocket, but theirs!

 

[zengrifter]

Its an unplayable "player-banked" game. The way to make money there is to bank one of the tables. zg

 

[Mikeaber]

Its an unplayable "player-banked" game. The way to make money there is to bank one of the tables. zg

ZG, you can't do that. My bet is that this casino was in Oklahoma. State Law. The casino charges an ante on each hand and that is the only revenue they get off of the table. The money the table wins goes in to an escrow or something like it. 20% goes to the State and the other 80% is required by law to go back to the players in the form of tournaments or other contests/offers.

Not all the casinos have a $.50 ante per hand. Actually, I think it was probably a progressive ante....$.50 up to $50.00 and then it jumps to $1.00. One casino down there in Okie land (the KAW) only charges $.25 per hand but their min/max is $2 to $25. It will be higher on tables where the maximum is greater. They haven't opened those tables up yet, but they are right around the corner.

But, there is no "Player Banked" game offered.

 

[E-town-guy]

Its an unplayable "player-banked" game. The way to make money there is to bank one of the tables. zg

What does this mean? I thought you were joking or meant to open up some sort of underground BJ game where you charge commission, but now that I've read Mikeaber's I'm curious.

Sometimes I have some really stupid questions about some of the things that go on down there in the States but thats only because things are a lot different here in Canada!

 

[Midnite]

Ante

Mike is right.
Oklahoma does charge an "ante" on Every hand of BJ.
I don't know of any other states that do, so I also think that MadMax was playing some Olkahoma BJ.

 

[tedloc]

Bank the table

What does this mean? I thought you were joking or meant to open up some sort of underground BJ game where you charge commission, but now that I've read Mikeaber's I'm curious.

Sometimes I have some really stupid questions about some of the things that go on down there in the States but thats only because things are a lot different here in Canada!

In the Card clubs in California, they are not allowed to play real BlackJack, so they play a game called "no bust 21". Rules are similiar to BJ, with some changes. Joker/Joker, A/A automatic winner (Pays Double). You can allow players standing behind you to bet. There are up to 5 betting circles. If you bust and the dealer busts with a higher total, you push. (Dead link: http://www.bay101.com/blackjackrules.html)
The house takes their cut out of each hand. At some clubs they will allow the player to be the bank. The bank rotates around the table. What that means is that you can be the "house for 2 hands". Let's say you want to be the bank. You put up an amount and if the dealer wins or any player busts, you get paid first. You can never win or lose more than the amount you put up. Your money is used in the order of the players hands. If you had put up $50 dollars and the first bettor wins a $50 bet, they take your money and even if every other player loses, you don't collect. On the other hand, if the first player loses and every other player wins, you get your $50. There are usually locals, who pool their money and sit at the various tables and take their turn as the bank, and when it comes to you they will ask to partner up with you. You put up your $50, the put up $300.

 

[zengrifter]

In the Card clubs in California, they are not allowed to play real BlackJack, so they play a game called "no bust 21". Rules are similiar to BJ, with some changes. Joker/Joker, A/A automatic winner (Pays Double). You can allow players standing behind you to bet. Their are up to 5 betting circles. If you bust and the dealer bust with a higher total, you push. (Dead link: http://www.bay101.com/blackjackrules.html)
The house takes their cut out of each hand. At some clubs they will allow the player to be the bank. The bank rotates around the table. What that means is that you can be the "house for 2 hands". Let's say you want to be the bank. You put up an amount and if the dealer wins or any player busts, you get paid first. You can never win or lose more than the amount you put up. Your money is used in the order of the players hands. If you had put up $50 dollars and the first bettor wins a $50 bet, they take your money and even if every other playel loses, you don't collect. On the other hand, if the first player loses and everyother player wins, you get your $50. There are usually locals, who pool their money and sit at the various tables and take their turn as the bank, and when it comes to you they will ask to partner up with you. You put up your $50, the put up $300.

Yes, its a terrible unplayable game... UNLESS you hold the bank. zg

 

[MadMax]

Yeah, it's in Oklahoma. First time I had played in the state, and I would say the last time that I played in the state. I have thought about entering a tournament here though. The people around me didn't seem too bright. :1st:

Max

 

[tedloc]

Bank

Yes, its a terrible unplayable game... UNLESS you hold the bank. zg

Since you only get the bank for two plays, you can be on the wrong end of a lot of hands. The typical house percentage is not with you. The way to go is to bring a BIG bankroll and try to get in on a piece of everyone's play. Most people won't cover a very large amount.

 

[tribute]

There is an Indian casino in Eagle Pass, TX that also has the ante. I drove three hours one day to go check out the place. Upon discovering the premium for each hand, I quickly walked out and drove back home.