playing one box alone at the table

dovik said:
hi all
I heard that playing one box alone at the table worsen the odds.
is it true?
thanks
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Playing one spot is better for your odds at even or low counts. Some gamblers will spread to 2 hands to "change the cards" if it's been going bad, but in the long term it's worse for your odds. Spreading to 2 hands is good at high counts so that you have better chances to get the "good cards".
If you're just straight up playing BS and not counting, stick with 1 spot.
 
No, it's not true. The odds don't change. However, you will lose faster, you will be dealt more hands per hour.
 
well i`m in medellin now and i found a game with this rules:
early surrender
double on any two
i can split aces once and at the same time double on the lone ace!!!!
i can split pairs twice
dealt from a six-deck shoe but they cut at 3/5
678 and 777 2 to 1 payout
what do u think?
i should be playing with an advantage right?
 
dovik said:
well i`m in medellin now and i found a game with this rules:
early surrender
double on any two
i can split aces once and at the same time double on the lone ace!!!!
i can split pairs twice
dealt from a six-deck shoe but they cut at 3/5
678 and 777 2 to 1 payout
what do u think?
i should be playing with an advantage right?
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There's a 0% chance that you've accurately described the rules of this game. Either

a) You don't know what early surrender is
b) Blackjack doesn't pay 3:2
c) The game doesn't use standard 52 card decks

In fact, even with a) being true, this game would be +EV. So either b) or c) is certainly true
 
i can take surrender on the first 2 vs anything, an ace too
bj pays 3-2
they spread the cards at the beginning as in england and in colombia there is a gaming board too.
i spoke to a guy that used to work as a dealer and he told me that there is no cheating.
i know it seems impossible but this is it
 
I stand by my statement that you're missing something huge. The game as described would have a > .5% off the top edge.
 
sabre said:
I stand by my statement that you're missing something huge. The game as described would have a > .5% off the top edge.
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There are plenty of +EV off the top games around the world, and believe it or not they still make lots of money. Most of them are in places there is no guarantee you will come back from, nor that you will be able to cash in your cheques.
 
If what you are saying about this game is true and you aren't missing something (which if you know this much about the game, I do not see what you are missing) I don't see the movement to two hands as negatively impacting your odds. You may draw a bit more attention to yourself though from the casino doing this, but not much. But as has been said, a game this good, watch your back.
 
well, in the three casinos I visited I found these rules:

Dealer Stands on Soft 17 (only in one Dealer Hits Soft 17)

Double Any 2 Cards

Double After Split Allowed

Split to 4 hands (I have to double check this one)

Early Surrender

AA can be split once, one card only (only in one u can double down on the lone ace)

No peek (European style), they give themselves only one card anyway.

As I said these are proper casinos: 5/10 tables +100+ slots, not joints in some back room. I was staring at the shoe while the dealer was pulling his cards tody and I noticed nothing strange. I know u are supposed to hear a "click" if they are pulling a card from another compartment, but on some tables they use shufflers anyway.
 
dovik said:
AA can be split once, one card only (only in one u can double down on the lone ace)
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I've seen this rule before. Here's a tip: When you split aces, if you get a bad card on one or both of them (such as an ace through 5); no matter WHAT the dealer has showing, and depending upon how much your initial bet is, the CORRECT play is to double down for LESS (as little as possible).
 
Sucker said:
I've seen this rule before. Here's a tip: When you split aces, if you get a bad card on one or both of them (such as an ace through 5); no matter WHAT the dealer has showing, and depending upon how much your initial bet is, the CORRECT play is to double down for LESS (as little as possible).
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Wait a minute....... I think what he's saying is, is that, once you split them, your given the option to double, before you even receive a card, or is that your understanding as well?
 
well, in the three casinos I visited I found these rules:

Dealer Stands on Soft 17 0.00%(only in one Dealer Hits Soft 17)

Double Any 2 Cards 0.00%

Double After Split Allowed .14%

Split to 4 hands 0.00%(I have to double check this one)

Early Surrender .63%

AA can be split once, one card only (only in one u can double down on the lone ace) .08%

No peek (European style), they give themselves only one card anyway. *Double and Splits are taken -.11%

678&777 2:1 automatic .06%

6decks -.60%
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Im getting a PA of .20%

*Only allowed to split pairs once -10%
 
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jack said:
Wait a minute....... I think what he's saying is, is that, once you split them, your given the option to double, before you even receive a card, or is that your understanding as well?
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If THAT'S what the rule is, then the best play, of course; is to double for as much money as is allowed.
 
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Wait a minute....... I think what he's saying is, is that, once you split them, your given the option to double, before you even receive a card, or is that your understanding as well?
If THAT'S what the rule is, then the best play, of course; is to double for as much money as is allowed.
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that`s correct
 
If you know you are going to get an Ace as a first card, your adv. is 53%. What is the advantage when Ace is the first card and you can only draw one card?
 
In the context of this discussion (if drawing a 10 gives you a 21 & NOT a BJ); it would be approximately the same as doubling down on 11, which is about 19%.

The worst card the dealer could have up is an ace, whereas you would have about a 7.5% advantage. If the dealer has a 6 up, the advantage is about 36%.
 
Sucker said:
If THAT'S what the rule is, then the best play, of course; is to double for as much money as is allowed.
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Curious...........are there cases, "when" your allowed to double, when you split Aces; you recieve a initial card FIRST before given the option to double?????
 
Splitting Aces:

21forme said:
If you know you are going to get an Ace as a first card, your adv. is 53%. What is the advantage when Ace is the first card and you can only draw one card?
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There is no advantage, at least i dont think, or it depends on how you look at it. For example, if your NOT allowed to split Aces it hurts you by -.18%.

Or for example, if you CANT re-split Aces, it doesnt hurt you advantage, it will only help it by .08% if your allowed to resplit. You DONT deduct .08% if you cant re-split.

To answer your question, if your allowed to split Aces once and receive one card per Ace the advantage remains at 0.00%. If you can draw, as often as you want add .14% or if you can double add .08%. Funny how unlimited draw is a better option than doubling on a pair of split aces.

1deck: 0.00%
(2decks)-.36%
S17: 0.00%
(H17) -.20%
Split Aces onces&one card only 0.00%
(Re-split).08%
DAS 0.14%
(NDAS)0.00%
NO Sr. 0.00%
Only initial wager is taken on dealers BJ 0.00%

With these rules thre is no Player or HE 1D,NDAS,S17.


Unless im mistaken these are the rules you wont calculate into the HA. Only if there are changes to these rules will you add or subtract to the HA. Someone plese correct me, if im wrong.

You'll notice the Wizard lists NDAS at -.14% but notthing for DAS. Seems to me, this is backwards.
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack
complete list http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/rule-variations.html
 
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