KewlJ
Well-Known Member
A couple of days ago on Wizards site there was a discussion that started out on the topic of the Griffin Mentality (Griffin Book, Griffin detective agency and database). During the discussion, a member at WoV, named KevinAA, who identifies as a casino dealer posted the following disturbing information:
"At the casino where I work, we employ the following strategy for stopping card counters -- if you increase your bet by a lot because the count is +, we "break the deck" (i.e. re-shuffle). The result is that the player only plays zero or negative counts. It's even more effective than barring, because who would want to play there?"
This is known as preferential shuffling and is clearly cheating, although it has never been rules that way. Not playing the positive rounds and only playing negative and neutral rounds is altering the odds of the game. Read this line again: "The result is that the player only plays zero or negative counts."
24 hours later, KevinAA went even further when he posted this follow-up: I wrote "because the count is +" not just that someone suddenly makes a large bet. Some people randomly make large bets. We don't care about that. It's when surveillance and/or the pit boss is counting along and knows why the player makes a large bet that I re-shuffle.
KevinAA is clearly stating this is not a counter measure used against card counters, but rather "because the count is +". That means they are knowingly and admitting this is done to cheat ALL players.
I would love to see Bob Nersesian question KevinAA at a gaming hearing.
(and KevinAA is only doing what he is told to do. The decision to cheat comes from above)
So while none of this is new, it goes to the fact that the casino Industry knowingly cheats. The have a long history of doing things that qualify as cheating, until they are told they can not do such and such (like the Mindplay ruling). And these rulings telling them that they have overstepped are far and few between.
So anytime we are having one of those discussions about Casino Cheating, like the recent ASM discussion or any discussion about casinos cheating and someone brings up, as inevitably always does, that the casinos have too much to lose by cheating....BULLSHIT. This is an industry that has a very long history of greed and doing the wrong thing until they are caught and told to stop.
And those fines that are supposed to be such a deterrent, $10,000, here, $20,000 there, on those rare occasions that they are caught.....that is nothing. That is the equivalent of a $10 parking fine. NOT going to deter anyone from illegally parking. If Gaming commissions really wanted to send a signal, the penalty would be something that matters, like a day's revenue. Shut down for a 24 hour period like they did with an Atlantic city Casino once. That would be a deterrent, not a slap on the wrist, parking ticket.
But don't anyone ever tell me this industry doesn't cheat....they cheat every chance they get....and they know they are cheating....right up until they are finally told to stop.
"At the casino where I work, we employ the following strategy for stopping card counters -- if you increase your bet by a lot because the count is +, we "break the deck" (i.e. re-shuffle). The result is that the player only plays zero or negative counts. It's even more effective than barring, because who would want to play there?"
This is known as preferential shuffling and is clearly cheating, although it has never been rules that way. Not playing the positive rounds and only playing negative and neutral rounds is altering the odds of the game. Read this line again: "The result is that the player only plays zero or negative counts."
24 hours later, KevinAA went even further when he posted this follow-up: I wrote "because the count is +" not just that someone suddenly makes a large bet. Some people randomly make large bets. We don't care about that. It's when surveillance and/or the pit boss is counting along and knows why the player makes a large bet that I re-shuffle.
KevinAA is clearly stating this is not a counter measure used against card counters, but rather "because the count is +". That means they are knowingly and admitting this is done to cheat ALL players.
I would love to see Bob Nersesian question KevinAA at a gaming hearing.
(and KevinAA is only doing what he is told to do. The decision to cheat comes from above)So while none of this is new, it goes to the fact that the casino Industry knowingly cheats. The have a long history of doing things that qualify as cheating, until they are told they can not do such and such (like the Mindplay ruling). And these rulings telling them that they have overstepped are far and few between.
So anytime we are having one of those discussions about Casino Cheating, like the recent ASM discussion or any discussion about casinos cheating and someone brings up, as inevitably always does, that the casinos have too much to lose by cheating....BULLSHIT. This is an industry that has a very long history of greed and doing the wrong thing until they are caught and told to stop.
And those fines that are supposed to be such a deterrent, $10,000, here, $20,000 there, on those rare occasions that they are caught.....that is nothing. That is the equivalent of a $10 parking fine. NOT going to deter anyone from illegally parking. If Gaming commissions really wanted to send a signal, the penalty would be something that matters, like a day's revenue. Shut down for a 24 hour period like they did with an Atlantic city Casino once. That would be a deterrent, not a slap on the wrist, parking ticket.
But don't anyone ever tell me this industry doesn't cheat....they cheat every chance they get....and they know they are cheating....right up until they are finally told to stop.
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