Pressure to tip
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Where does everyone run into all these nasty dealers? I get a replacement dealer who is a bitch once in awhile but don't you scout out the dealer before you sit down?
A pleasant dealer is every bit as important as there being filled ashtrays,dirty glasses and the dealer not having full chip trays.
The only place I've ever felt intimitated to tip in was Binions,and I simply got up and went across the street.
A pleasant dealer is every bit as important as there being filled ashtrays,dirty glasses and the dealer not having full chip trays.
The only place I've ever felt intimitated to tip in was Binions,and I simply got up and went across the street.
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ChefJJ
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My thoughts exactly. There's probably just as much to pre-screening dealers as there is penetration from a "playability" standpoint. They've gotta at least crack a smile for me to sit down...of course, an early toke doesn't hurt either.
But that's just my point of view. good luck
Well to be fair, as someone who has worked in the service industry on a number of occasions, I can tell you for certain that dealing with non-tippers is total BS. When I was waiting tables, if I was dealing with a party that I knew wasn't going to tip me then I would of course only do the bare minimum so I could get them out the door.
Make no mistake about it: NOT TIPPING IS A HOSTILE GESTURE AND SHOWS NO RESPECT TO THE WAITER, PIZZA DELIVERY GUY, BELL BOY, DEALER, ETC. WHO YOU ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF.
In regard to blackjack, the situation may be a bit different. You may be able to get away with it if you're losing (but even then I try to throw $1 out there every once in a while just out of sympathy.) But you should definitely tip if you're winning. After all, tips are largely how they pay their rent, child care expenses, buy food, etc.
Seriously, if you cannot afford to tip then you cannot afford to go out to eat, order a pizza, or play blackjack.
As an aside, I remember reading that the MIT blackjack team originally did not allow their players to tip, and I immediately lost respect for the people who made the rules for that team because their own greed got in the way of their human decency. (I have since heard that they amended this policy and good for them.)
At a local casino I play at most frequently most dealers don't make that big of a deal out of tips because they are split among every dealer. So it gives them no motivation to be friendly, fun etc... So basically if you tip a dealer you like really that tip is getting divided a hundred ways or however many dealers are going to be there that day.
I usually only tip as a form of 'hush money' if I am asked about counting.
I usually only tip as a form of 'hush money' if I am asked about counting.
Doofus
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Piss on 'em. I don't care how much money they make. They chose to take on a low paying job. I ain't tipping, I'm just taking their money.
Oooops...... Never mind! I've got to stop channeling the Las Vegas Bear! :devil:
Honestly, I toke a bit, certainly on the first hand with a new dealer without fail. On occasion I will add a toke to a big jump in a bet, and see if it keeps the dealer from shouting "checks play" to the pit boss. And I never toke if the dealer is surly or unfriendly.
moo321
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Hehe. Target, right?
moo321
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Yes, it's a dick move. I currently work primarily for tips, so I know exactly what it's like. BUT, I think a lot of the blame is aimed at the wrong people. The fact is that the casino/pizza place/restaurant only pays its people half minimum wage is the real issue. Your wages shouldn't have to be dependent on tips. When you get stiffed, it's just as much the company owner's fault as yours. He got his money, but he left your money up to chance. You can also chose to work at a different establishment where the clientele tips.
Also, don't **** where you eat. If you give poor service, you don't deserve a tip. I'm talking about dealers that deserve to not be tipped, because they suck at dealing. They should not get tipped, and should be shamed out of that sector, because they're unfit to work in a service job. No different than a car salesman that can't sell cars.
I might agree with you, though the fact is that that is the reality of the service industry. Also, if restaurants were to pay their people $10+/hr instead of $2.13 then prices on the food would go up and fewer people would probably eat out. Besides, I know that a lot of people in higher-level waiting or bartending jobs make a hell of a lot more now than they would if their employer went to decent-wage format.
Ultimately, I think that people just need to realize why it's important to tip well, and also need to understand that if tipping was not a part of their experience then their costs would, in fact, go up.
Hmm, I wonder if those *s were yours or some built-in censoring function of the board. I hate censorship.
Anyway. . .
I would say that if they "suck at dealing," that's less important than if they are trying to do their best. Honestly, I sucked at waiting tables. I was slow, would get confused, etc. But I did try. I think attitude is much more important. If you're going to be a slow and bumbling dealer, then okay, but do it with a smile.
EasyRhino
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i found it much easier to tip at a basically flat rate, every time I get a blackjack. This way, if you assume a BJ every 21 hands, you can easily work out a reasonable tipping rate per hour or 100 hands. Of course, if you're on a huge win streak, you look a little cheap. If you're getting killed, you look like a sport. And if the dealer's a douche, no tips.
One dealer (who was actually pretty cute) did some thinly veiled blatant toke-hustling twice in a 3 minute period, and it took some effort to restrain myself from saying "you ignorant slut, I'll tip you when I'm good and ready". This same dealer hadn't shown evidence of toke hustling before, it was weird.
Another time, another place, I ended up heads-up with a dealer. I ask "Hey, I hear players here don't tip very well?" Him: "No comment".
But a happy table really IS more fun. Last time I was at MGM Grand, I flung around a lot of money in a short period at a medium-roller table with some grumpy old people. Then I go to pick up my friends, who were playing at a packed $10, and they were having a blast. It was like a free stand-up act going on at that table. I even got to wong in during a high count and join in the hijinks.
One dealer (who was actually pretty cute) did some thinly veiled blatant toke-hustling twice in a 3 minute period, and it took some effort to restrain myself from saying "you ignorant slut, I'll tip you when I'm good and ready". This same dealer hadn't shown evidence of toke hustling before, it was weird.
Another time, another place, I ended up heads-up with a dealer. I ask "Hey, I hear players here don't tip very well?" Him: "No comment".
I'm usually just looking at penetration, and hoping against hope that the dealer is incredibly sloppy. I don't gauge their personality first.
But a happy table really IS more fun. Last time I was at MGM Grand, I flung around a lot of money in a short period at a medium-roller table with some grumpy old people. Then I go to pick up my friends, who were playing at a packed $10, and they were having a blast. It was like a free stand-up act going on at that table. I even got to wong in during a high count and join in the hijinks.
moo321
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Right, if restaurants weren't allowed to exploit people by paying them below market wages, instead of leaving their wages up to chance, they wouldn't be able to haul such a monstrous profit.
I usually tip my dealers based on time. Poker dealers usually get $1-3 an hour (10 handed, that means you'd pull $10-30 an hour) and blackjack dealers usually get $2-5 an hour.
Dyepaintball12
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One of my non-playing friends went to play some blackjack once for fun, and the guys at his table told him it is proper etiquette to tip every hand you win.
That one made me laugh
That one made me laugh
I'll usually toke the dealer a white either directly or by placing a bet. It's not much, but if the dealer doesn't at least say "thanks" or "thanks for trying" she won't get much more. If they're nice about it and I'm doing OK, I'll likely do that 5X in an hour and toke another 5-10 when leaving the table.
A waitress I'll give $1 for a drink .. they're OK, but take that a bit for granted here in the US. If fact I've heard of them saying the drinks aren't free if you don't tip. I gave waitresses $1 that in Aruba and there was a waitress at my side every 5 minutes! I guess a lot of european tourists in Aruba don't tip, so they love americans
Yea, they like tips, but you can't compare either to restaurant waiters that only get $2 -$3 an hour.
A waitress I'll give $1 for a drink .. they're OK, but take that a bit for granted here in the US. If fact I've heard of them saying the drinks aren't free if you don't tip. I gave waitresses $1 that in Aruba and there was a waitress at my side every 5 minutes! I guess a lot of european tourists in Aruba don't tip, so they love americans
Yea, they like tips, but you can't compare either to restaurant waiters that only get $2 -$3 an hour.
Yeah. Not sure how much they get per hour, but I usually leave $2-$3. It's not much but I ASSUME they get paid a decent wage.
Does anybody know?
ihate17
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In Colorado it is all different
With a $5 max bet it is hard to imagine dealers making a living in Colorado. In Vegas you have many $5 bettors and plenty of folks who bet higher. Even a $5 player can get on a, so called, run, bet more and feel comfortable putting a few whites out for a dealer. With him and all the people who bet higher in other places, Colorado dealers are looking at $5 max bets and hardly a way to get any kind of decent tokes, so I understand the pressure.
The problem is simply not the fault of the players but the fault of the current law.
ihate17
With a $5 max bet it is hard to imagine dealers making a living in Colorado. In Vegas you have many $5 bettors and plenty of folks who bet higher. Even a $5 player can get on a, so called, run, bet more and feel comfortable putting a few whites out for a dealer. With him and all the people who bet higher in other places, Colorado dealers are looking at $5 max bets and hardly a way to get any kind of decent tokes, so I understand the pressure.
The problem is simply not the fault of the players but the fault of the current law.
ihate17