Proper bet spreading for Ace sequencing

[zengrifter]

that you want to sequence them, why not assign a more negative value to aces and count them?

You are comparing apples with oranges. zg

 

[Sucker]

If aces are so important that you want to sequence them, why not assign a more negative value to aces and count them?

There are counting systems that do exactly THAT. The Revere Advanced Point Count for multiple decks comes to mind.

 

[psyduck]

You are comparing apples with oranges. zg

So what as long as I compare their weight?

 

[psyduck]

There are counting systems that do exactly THAT. The Revere Advanced Point Count for multiple decks comes to mind.

I guess I meant to say how much advantage ace sequencing has over counting aces.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I guess I meant to say how much advantage ace sequencing has over counting aces.

Which is better, knowing that one deck remaining has 6 aces, or the next few cards have an ace for sure?

 

[Jack_Black]

I guess I meant to say how much advantage ace sequencing has over counting aces.

The answer is.....much more. I have no experience with revere APC. but from what I can tell of the tag values, it doesn't differentiate between tens and aces. so if your TC is +3, is it +3 in aces or tens? or maybe both? you have the advantage, but what kind of advantage is it? is it a slightly better chance of busting the dealer, or is it a slightly better chance of catching an ace? This is one of reasons for developing the ace tracking method.

 

[Jack_Black]

Which is better, knowing that one deck remaining has 6 aces, or the next few cards have an ace for sure?

if you could say with 100% certainty you were going to get an ace on your next hand, what would you bet? or

if you could say with 100% certainty that there are 2 extra aces in the next 52 cards, but didn't know exactly when those 2 extra, or even those 6 total aces were coming....well, you get the picture.

 

[Sucker]

Perhaps this bit of trivia will help to put things in perspective:

If you know for a fact that there is an extra ace SOMEWHERE within the next 16 cards, and if you're playing at a full table with 7 spots (eight players, counting the dealer); ALL SEVEN players at the table will be playing that hand at about a 2% advantage (providing that they play correct BS, of course).

 

[psyduck]

The answer is.....much more. I have no experience with revere APC. but from what I can tell of the tag values, it doesn't differentiate between tens and aces. so if your TC is +3, is it +3 in aces or tens? or maybe both? you have the advantage, but what kind of advantage is it? is it a slightly better chance of busting the dealer, or is it a slightly better chance of catching an ace? This is one of reasons for developing the ace tracking method.

Jack,

That makes sense. I guess there is no software to simulate the effect of ace sequencing, right?

I do not pretend to know alot about this technique, but it sounds like the player needs to remember some key cards to predict the coming ace. Isn't it possible that those key cards will be moved farther away from the ace or even fall behind the ace due to shuffling?

 

[zengrifter]

Isn't it possible that those key cards will be moved farther away from the ace or even fall behind the ace due to shuffling?

Of course. zg

 

[psyduck]

Of course. zg

If one of the key cards got shuffled behind the ace, are you screwed?

 

[Jack_Black]

If one of the key cards got shuffled behind the ace, are you screwed?

Of course.

 

[psyduck]

Of course.

Do you think ace sequencing is more effective than ace side counting?

 

[Jack_Black]

Do you think ace sequencing is more effective than ace side counting?

Of course.

 

[psyduck]

Of course.

Do you have quantitative comparison? Of course?

 

[Jack_Black]

Do you have quantitative comparison? Of course?

Of course.

 

[psyduck]

Of course.

How many aces do you track/sequence?

 

[Elhombre]

I guess I meant to say how much advantage ace sequencing has over counting aces.

duck ... that depends on the shuffle, how many sequences you could remember and how many aces you hit and how many decks are played.

My statistics say that I hit 2 more aces as usual, not every 13th upcard
but every 4.3 upcard, that's an advantage of about 8%.
In a 6 decks game. At a certain casino.

The advantage of counting aces maybe 0.5% ? am not sure.

E.H.

 

[aslan]

duck ... that depends on the shuffle, how many sequences you could remember and how many aces you hit and how many decks are played.

My statistics say that I hit 2 more aces as usual, not every 13th upcard
but every 4.3 upcard, that's an advantage of about 8%.
In a 6 decks game. At a certain casino.

The advantage of counting aces maybe 0.5% ? am not sure.

E.H.

I assume you achieve that greater frequency of aces by spreading to two or more hands when you believe an ace is coming?

 

[Elhombre]

Jack,

That makes sense. I guess there is no software to simulate the effect of ace sequencing, right?

I do not pretend to know alot about this technique, but it sounds like the player needs to remember some key cards to predict the coming ace. Isn't it possible that those key cards will be moved farther away from the ace or

even fall behind the ace due to shuffling?

Depends of the riffle, if that happens, don't bet with 1 key.

Theese kinds of riffles mosttimes not sequencable.

At the 1-2-6 it happens more often, then don't bet too.:joker:
( no further commend of theese beasts )

E.H.