Question from a new AP

Meistro said:
You guys told WISCO to massively overbet his bankroll, and he listened to you and did it.
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When a BR is that small one's only option is massive overbet... no?

>>Wisco, only WONG the games if allowed, untill BR stands at 3k
>>Wong in at $10 count equiv and max at 2x$25 count equiv.
>>This will increase your prospects of survival.
>>My advice is to stick with HiLo, unless you KNOW you cant cut it at TC adjustment.
 
Rather than overbetting I think the thing to do is put in for over time and build your bank that way. Right now OP is still a wet behind the ears noob, so he needs to get some practice before he bets too much money.
 
I would have to side with Meistro. I'm relatively new (less than a year of play) but have a bigger bankroll. And as one who has bet large sums of money in other areas, there still is a transition period to ramp up bets in blackjack. I've bet thousand dollar regular season win totals but was hesitant the first time I bet $50 on a hand of blackjack. If one overbets too early and takes a bad ass kicking, it's detrimental psychologically, which STILL matters. I think one has to ease into it, otherwise randomness plays too big a roll into wiping out a small bankroll. Just my 2 cents.
 
First off there is no six deck game in WI that has .57 house edge. (Menominee is close at .56 but I don't feel your are located near there). My recommendation is to play a 2 deck game where you only need a 1 to 8 spread. It will be less variance on the bankroll. I could give better advice if I knew approx where you are located.
 
Meistro said:
Rather than overbetting I think the thing to do is put in for over time and build your bank that way. Right now OP is still a wet behind the ears noob, so he needs to get some practice before he bets too much money.
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That’s all well and fine but you told him to use a 1-2 spread in a game that is not wongable. You’re advising him to play a losing game while learning In a casino rather than just at home, and then have the gall to tell others they need to think before giving advice. If you’re actually gonna play in a casino, may as well try to win. And we told him what was wrong with the spread he was using at home, no one actually told him he needed to use it in a casino now, you are just making stuff up so you can be the Internet expert. Hail Mary bankroll or don’t play yet were the ONLY two potentially positive options here, without going into LC Larry’s comment.
 
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Midwest Player, Im located between Madison and Milwaukee. Basically on I94. According to potto's website and my expieriance playing there that should be the house edge on their games. Are you saying WI games are higher or lower than .57? What is your recommendation as to where I should play if not potto?
 
The 2 deck games at potto have a much worse house edge and more heat than the shoe games, plus double the mins increasing my already super high ror.
 
Wisco 21 said:
Midwest Player, Im located between Madison and Milwaukee. Basically on I94. According to potto's website and my expieriance playing there that should be the house edge on their games. Are you saying WI games are higher or lower than .57? What is your recommendation as to where I should play if not potto?
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I figured that was about where you were from. I got my information from CBJN. I play only in the northern half of WI so I'm unfamiliar with both the Pot in Milwaukee and Ho Chunk at the Dells.

Here is a link to a sample copy of CBJN. It is a couple years old but conditions are slow to change at Indian casinos.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/blackjack2...ckeditor_assets/attachments/2/cbjn_sample.pdf
As you can see the 2 deck game has a much smaller house edge than the 6 deck game at Ho Chunk. I would also consider checking out Ho Chunk at Nekoosa. I believe they are building a hotel there. It is a little farther drive. Also consider going up to Green Bay area. I believe it is about 100 miles from Milwaukee.
 
Midwest Player said:
I would also consider checking out Ho Chunk at Nekoosa. I believe they are building a hotel there.
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Correction. I don't think a hotel is being built in Nekoosa. I believe Ho Chunk is building in Wittenberg and Black River Falls.

It appears Green Bay has better games than the Pot. I did play Onedia in Green Bay last summer and here is my report I submitted to CBJN back then.

CBJN report for Oneida Casino (I) Green Bay, WI. Conditions as of x/xx/17 and x/xx/17.
2 tables, 1 deck, pen 0.5, min $15, max $400, rules h17, d10, rsa, nrs except aces, sc
2 tables, 2 deck, pen 0.9, min $15, max $400, rules h17, rsa, nms, sc
10 tables, 6 deck, pen 1.5, min $5, max $200, rules h17, ds, ls, rsa
(Change in tables & pen)

Note: On weekends (Fri. Sat. & Sun) table mins are $10 for 6 deck & $25 for single and double deck.

I played twice at Oneida last year once for 3.5 hours and once for 1.5 hours. No heat.
 
I've said it before and I will say it again, massively overbetting your bankroll is a bad idea. As a newer player, it is much better to break even playing within your bankroll, while getting experience, learning how to count, and identifying and working on weaknesses in your game, than to play with a 20 max bet bankroll and the near certainty of going broke. Besides, even if you can't wong in, you can always wong out. If you have a $1000 bankroll then $10 should be your max bet, period.
 
Meistro said:
I've said it before and I will say it again, massively overbetting your bankroll is a bad idea. As a newer player, it is much better to break even playing within your bankroll, while getting experience, learning how to count, and identifying and working on weaknesses in your game, than to play with a 20 max bet bankroll and the near certainty of going broke. Besides, even if you can't wong in, you can always wong out. If you have a $1000 bankroll then $10 should be your max bet, period.
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This is a guy who gets it. When you are new, you still make some mistakes and have work that needs to be done on your game, so you are far better off underbetting. Experience is so important, nothing wrong with treading water at the start. It took me four years to show a profit betting thoroughbreds and about three years for sports. Can't expect a Yoshi-like breakout from the beginning.
 
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