question regarding positive count frequencies

Discussion in 'Skilled Play - Card Counting, Advanced Strategies' started by ascension, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. ascension

    ascension Member

    my guess is that with more decks their will be less frequency of positive counts...but what is the estimated frequency of positive counts i can expect for single deck, dd, 6d, 8d?? thanks, and can someone explain why this is...thanks guys.
  2. Friendo

    Friendo Well-Known Member


    For all numbers of decks and all balanced counts, the count is positive 50% of the time.
  3. ascension

    ascension Member


    let me rephrase my original question, if i am only playing at a count per deck equal/greater than +2 what is my expected frequency that this will occur per shoe/deck...thanks for timely response friendo.
  4. BrianCP

    BrianCP Well-Known Member

    Check out the Freak Charts from this excerpt by Arnold Snyder.

    Remember that each time the true count increases by one, the player advantage increases by approximately .5%. According to this freak chart for 6 decks 75% dealt, 22/100 hands will be at or above a TC of +2.
  5. Sucker

    Sucker Well-Known Member

    This question cannot be answered without knowing the penetration.
  6. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    Well, the TC will probably be zero around 40-45% of the time, but of the other 55-60% of the time the count will be positive around 50% (depending on whether you round/truncate/floor/etc.).

    It completely depends on the penetration. The deeper they cut, the more positive counts you will see. The charts in Blackjack Attack give the TC frequencies for most situations.

  7. ascension

    ascension Member

    thanks guys! i will check the charts out most definately when i get the chance, appreciate all the answers and insight :p
  8. Friendo

    Friendo Well-Known Member

    Can't remember the reason for this. It superficially seems to contradict the True Count Theorem, but, of course, it doesn't.

    I must crack open Blackjack Attack III tonight.
  9. ascension

    ascension Member

    i really need to get this book, i have (to date) only purchased professional blackjack by wong and though it has given me a lot of insight and started me in the right direction, i think it is time to broaden the horizon a little more and i've hurd nothing but good things about bja 3...thanks sonny.
  10. sagefr0g

    sagefr0g Well-Known Member

    the (info from Wong's book) image below may help:
    f% is the tc frequency percentages

    Attached Files:

  11. ascension

    ascension Member

    so if i'm reading those charts correctly by arnold snyder in the link...if i use a 1-16 spread playing a avg. 6deck game with 4.5d pen using system 1 i can expect an hourly rate of 2.90 units, given i can play a hundred hands in an hour? this seems to good to be true....i found this a really interesting read so far briancp (thankyou!), interesting that in a 6d game with 4.5d pen house and player never have more than a 3.5% adv.
  12. tthree

    tthree Banned

    It doesn't say you will never have an advantage over 3.5%, only that it happens closer to 0% than .5%.

Share This Page