Quick question on zen count

FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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12 vs. 4 is a borderline Hit/Stand play.

The fewer the decks the closer the call is.

So … +1 works quite well.

Take a good long look at 12 vs. 5 and 6.

That will be either −1 or −2.

These three decisions are among the most valuable indexed plays.
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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The correct Basic Strategy for 12 vs. 4 (Ten or Face+4) is different

for 6 deck and 8 deck shoes. That is how close it is.

The closest plays in BJ are A2 vs. 5 and A4 vs. 4
 
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assume_R

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christopher1 said:
i no this is probably ridiculously stupid but i saw the index play for 12v4 as +1, doesn't this go against basic strategy? can someone explain this to me http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/Zen_Count_Indices.htm
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Honestly 12v4 is suchhhh a close call. It's a very borderline decision that it won't change much if you use 0 or 1. But yes, as it stands, that is against basic strategy. Also remember, though, that those are generalized index numbers and not for any specific ruleset (except S17/H17) so you're better off generating your own for whatever game you most frequently play.
 
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ycming

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assume_R said:
Honestly 12v4 is suchhhh a close call. It's a very borderline decision that it won't change much if you use 0 or 1. But yes, as it stands, that is against basic strategy. Also remember, though, that those are generalized index numbers and not for any specific ruleset (except S17/H17) so you're better off generating your own for whatever game you most frequently play.
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What do you use to generate your own indicies ? CV data ?

Ming
 
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christopher1

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thanks for the replies. would there be any significant advantage gained by sim'ing indices vs general ones? im not actually even 21 yet and i dont really know what games ill be playing.

ive just been learning to count for the past 6 months or so after i was at the casino with my dad one night and won $1000 flatbetting $25 on a $200 buyin (playing pretty close to basic strategy) while he lost over $6000 doubling 12s v 10s and putting $200 a hand on the match the dealer sidebet...so i decided if i was gonna play the game i might as well learn to play it right
 
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assume_R

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christopher1 said:
thanks for the replies. would there be any significant advantage gained by sim'ing indices vs general ones? im not actually even 21 yet and i dont really know what games ill be playing.
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Nope, not a significant advantage. Only a slight advantage, which you probably won't notice over all the variance in your results!

christopher1 said:
ive just been learning to count for the past 6 months or so after i was at the casino with my dad one night and won $1000 flatbetting $25 on a $200 buyin (playing pretty close to basic strategy) while he lost over $6000 doubling 12s v 10s and putting $200 a hand on the match the dealer sidebet...so i decided if i was gonna play the game i might as well learn to play it right
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Perhaps once you get better you can teach your dad, too! No reason to throw away money like that.
 
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