Responses you've made to ploppies.

[creeping panther]

Perception

Guyz and Galz, this is really a matter of perception, how the other players perceive you.

Do they see you as someone they can disrespect, someone they have no fear of, someone they look down on?? If they see you this way you are in trouble.

You need to develope an aura that tells others that maybe you are not a guy to mess with, you do this by dress, appearance, attitude, and that all important game face. I know that many times, playing late at night with some heavy hitters that it was clearly the attitude I was showing that backed them off from running Sh## on me or worse, they thought twice about it, I could clearly see it in their eyes.

BJ is often not just about the cards, it can also be about the others sitting at the table, you must learn to deal with both, and you must be the Alpha Male, or the Bad Azz Bit## female at that table.

CP

 

[BJLFS]

Guyz and Galz, this is really a matter of perception, how the other players perceive you.

Do they see you as someone they can disrespect, someone they have no fear of, someone they look down on?? If they see you this way you are in trouble.

You need to develope an aura that tells others that maybe you are not a guy to mess with, you do this by dress, appearance, attitude, and that all important game face. I know that many times, playing late at night with some heavy hitters that it was clearly the attitude I was showing that backed them off from running Sh## on me or worse, they thought twice about it, I could clearly see it in their eyes.

BJ is often not just about the cards, it can also be about the others sitting at the table, you must learn to deal with both, and you must be the Alpha Male, or the Bad Azz Bit## female at that table.

CP

Thank you! Thank you!

 

[Sharky]

i find less "ploppy speak" in HL rooms, i believe, because they are smarter players - not necessairily ap's - but smarter BS players, another factor is that they are probably smarter, more successful in life and can afford to gamble with the money they play...which is a major prob w/ low limit ploppies

My rule on places i FREQUENT is to NEVER talk shop...VERY occasionally will tell people asking for advice that i play on 'instinct' so do whatever you feel as it is your money and let the chips fall where they may

anyways, playing a crappy main room in FL to pass time a couple years ago and this cat continues to question my play...from insurance, to doubles, splits...everything..i notice he's wearing a golf shirt so i ask him if he plays golf, he says yes, i then tell him that him telling me how to play BJ is like him telling Tiger Woods how to hit a golf ball....too funny...of course he was the only one who heard it...also, MUCH funnier since he was winning back then

 

[Jack_Black]

Wait, are you saying that your splitting tens changes the dealer's chance of busting? Because that isn't true. You are taking more cards out of a heavy deck, but that's different.

then how else does a dealer bust in a high TC? isn't that the whole point of straight counting? placing a big bet because the chances of the dealer busting, or you getting a great hand increases?

ploppy or AP, we all love tens, when we, the AP splits and re splits tens, we are hogging them all. of course, BJ is not a team sport, at least in the big city casinos.

 

[Percy]

I could be wrong but I thought the high true count assumes an even distribution of high cards over the undealt cards.

Therefore splitting tens in a high count will not, on average, skew the true count. Hence the dealers chance of busting will not be influenced by whether your 'play' is to split tens or not.

If you're talking about a situation where you know the next two cards are tens (say), then I imagine splitting tens would screw things up for the rest of the table.

 

[Jack_Black]

Absolutely not so. If you don't believe me, watch me split 10's sometime and see what cards I get.

two days ago, I got to respit tens 4 times. I got 15, 15, 14, 12 vs dealer 6. had a second hand I needed to split. six max bets, dealer still busted. sweeeeet.

 

[techster]

One evening I finally got tired of a ploppy at 3rd base making comments about my (correct) plays. After dogging me for hitting a soft 18 against a dealer 10 I told here that is what basic strategy says to do. She said no, it doesn't. So I pushed 4 greens towards the middle of the table and said "My wife (who was playing next to me) has the basic strategy card in her purse. Wanna bet $100 what it says?" Didn't hear another word out of her.

 

[BJLFS]

One evening I finally got tired of a ploppy at 3rd base making comments about my (correct) plays. After dogging me for hitting a soft 18 against a dealer 10 I told here that is what basic strategy says to do. She said no, it doesn't. So I pushed 4 greens towards the middle of the table and said "My wife (who was playing next to me) has the basic strategy card in her purse. Wanna bet $100 what it says?" Didn't hear another word out of her.

Oooo. That's what I like!!!

 

[Jack_Black]

I could be wrong but I thought the high true count assumes an even distribution of high cards over the undealt cards.

Therefore splitting tens in a high count will not, on average, skew the true count. Hence the dealers chance of busting will not be influenced by whether your 'play' is to split tens or not.

If you're talking about a situation where you know the next two cards are tens (say), then I imagine splitting tens would screw things up for the rest of the table.

even?!!? if the TC is +10 with 3 decks remaining, are you saying that there are 10 extra ten cards exactly at every 52 cards? they could never be bunched up, say, behind the cut card?

each time a ten comes out, the RC drops correct? meaning your advantage and percentage of dealer bust drops also, correct?

I admit i've made quite of few mistakes because I was in the heat of the moment with max bets on the line, ploppies getting angry, PCs watching my every move, splitting the tens, and forgetting to subtract the tens from the RC each time I re split. so when I split the second time, the TC already tanked, so I was most definitely in the wrong to split the third and fourth time. of course the dealer made her hand, and wiped me and most others out. so there is a trust issue letting a guy split tens. he has to know what he's doing. I played against a ploppy yesterday that was splitting tens everytime he got them. against ace, against 10. it pissed me off cuz he was eating up the good cards, keeping the count from rising, and he didn't know what he was doing.

 

[BJgenius007]

One time I got so mad I said "I listen to statisticians!" Shut the ploppie down fast.

When dealt an A7 against a dealer 10. I said "The fact is an eighteen is not that good against a 10." It's not that powerful of an answer but it did shut him up.

When some ploppy questioned my particular play, I always say I feel like it. If he said more, I always say this is gamble. There is no right or wrong either way.

 

[moo321]

then how else does a dealer bust in a high TC? isn't that the whole point of straight counting? placing a big bet because the chances of the dealer busting, or you getting a great hand increases?

ploppy or AP, we all love tens, when we, the AP splits and re splits tens, we are hogging them all. of course, BJ is not a team sport, at least in the big city casinos.

I'm saying that your splitting tens doesn't affect whether the dealer will bust. Technically, just drawing cards out of a decks doesn't tend to reduce the TC, even though it does tend to reduce the RC.

 

[paddywhack]

i find less "ploppy speak" in HL rooms, i believe, because they are smarter players - not necessairily ap's - but smarter BS players, another factor is that they are probably smarter, more successful in life and can afford to gamble with the money they play...which is a major prob w/ low limit ploppies

Really?? Some of the dumbest plays and the ploppiest ploppies I have seen have been in the HL rooms.

My favorite replies, if I even reply at all are:
1. Oops, guess I screwed that up.
2. I thought someone had to hit his hand so the dealer will bust.
3. Isn't that basic strategy. Damn, where's my card.
4. Sorry guys, my fault

Generally I don't say a word and usually don't hear a peep out of the rest of the table, even if I did salvage my hand and caused them to lose.

 

[21forme]

I ignore ploppy comments. If the guy is unrelenting, I will repsond in one of two ways:
1. You're free to move to another table.
2. You're welcome to buy my hand if you don't like the way I'm going to play it.

I've only had one ploppy take me up on #2. Otherwise, it tends to shut them up.

 

[FLASH1296]

The best "one size fits all" response is "I play my hunches"

 

[Dyepaintball12]

The best "one size fits all" response is "I play my hunches"

Agreed. Or "I'm always consistent."

 

[Renzey]

Agreed. Or "I'm always consistent."

I get a tickle out of saying, "Hmm, what did I do last time with this hand? I always alternate with my 16's"

 

[gamblingghost]

I get a tickle out of saying, "Hmm, what did I do last time with this hand? I always alternate with my 16's"

Now THAT is a great answer! Any answer that makes em think you're a dumb player is good. Like, 'huh, I don't know what the hell I'm doin"! At the same time make your face contorted and looking really weird.

 

[CalgaryBlackJack]

Just had to make a account to post as you guys/gals had some funny stories.
Heres mine:

Table I play at: 6 deck, early surrender, double down after split and I only play basic strategy

I get dealt 16 vs the dealers face card. Of course I surrender and the person sitting to my left has like 12 or 13 and hits a face card and then "his card" was a 8 the dealer gets a ace and makes black jack.

He told me that was a bad surrender and you killed the table.

For some reason I can never control myself and try too stay calm, stupid people make my blood boil.

"I responded its a very good surrender"

"no it isn't"

"whatever I do does not affect your hand as you don't know whats coming out next, look you don't know whats coming out of the shoe next. If you do tell me whats coming out next then"
** points to his 13 on the next hand**

"8"
**out comes a 7**

"nope your wrong"

"you dont know whats coming out next either why surrender 16?"

"Well i know theres 13 cards and theres only 5 cards that i can hit that won't bust my hand. Thats less then 50%"

"its called gambling... black jack is gambling."

**end of shoe comes and he cashes and moves to the next table. I eye ball him for the rest of the night clearly I got under his skin and his $10 bets turned into $75 bets and before I could look up to him again he lost and left, guessing he lost around $500-$800**

 

[CalgaryBlackJack]

ha! I have another one.

same type of table as above

a crazy kid cashs in for $100 and makes a $30 bet in the middle of a shoe. I think nothing of it.(hes not wonging as he was no where close to the table)

Dealer has a 7 and hes dealt soft 15. He motions for a DOUBLES DOWN.

Before he does that i intterrupt and say "dude you have 15. Your against a 7." He says he knows what hes doing. I say whatever.

He gets lucky and hits a 5. Dealer ends up getting 17-19.

He then looks over and says "you make your money on the doubles", with a very smug look on his face."

I then said "yeah you do but, you make it in smart doubles 7 is not a card to double down on". He said "its called basic strategy"

At this point I just felt like playing along and he kept saying its on the card and its at home and he will bring it to me to show me and from there on out I kept asking "is this how you play this hand?"

 

[CalgaryBlackJack]

My last story for this thread.

I was doing okay at the table probably had $60 of profit infront of me. I continued to play when the most obnoxious lady sits down and apparently she has the nerve to comment on everything even though everything she says is retarded.

example:
"you shouldn't have split those 8's (against a 6) then those face cards woudl have been the dealers and she would have busted"

comments like that and it happend everytime she lost a hand saying you should have or shouldnt have.....

I was winning at the table before she came and thats when I should have left as honestly, I was not enjoying myself but being stupid I stayed.

Finally one comment hit me that wanted me to jab back it was.
"someone should take a card or else we will lose."(we were against a bust card all of us had 12 or greater, also shes not a card counter as she was playing one of the mini games at the blackjack table and the mini game bet was higher then her actual black jack bet)

I told her that isn't how black jack works and you don't have to take a card for us to win.

She tells me shes been playing and dealing black jack for over 20 years.

I tell her I'm just playing basic strategy and you dont need to hit a card to win, so those 20 years of black jack you've been playing the incorrect way.

She tells me she knows basic strategy and she knows that you have to hit a card to be able to win its from "experience".

at this point her stupidity has really gotten to me and I continue to jab back whenever she makes another comment.

Long story short I was on tilt and lost all my profit and the money I bought in with cause I didn't leave the table.

These were 3 of the worst examples I've had, lesson for me is try and not to get emotionally attached to black jack.