Rookie BJ Fan Getting to Know the Members

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Jeff25

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hows it going everyone?
im new to BJ and this site.
i really enjoy the game and i am going to give counting a try.
im currently going through "the blackjack cource" that was posted in another tread, its very helpful.
basic stratagy is coming to me slowly but surley. i want to use KO to count because of its simplicity. it will take me awhile to get quick enough for the casinos, but time i have.

my "home" casino will be Brantford, i dont know if anyone here is familiuar with it. the rules are, 3:2, dealer stands on all 17's, split up to 4 times, double after split. 8 decks are used, the penatration is, id say, 80%.
would you guys say these are decent conditions? i can also travel to Niagara falls every now and then.

well thats all i have to say right now, once i master BS and start learning to count ill have many more questions, untill then good luck, make some $!
 
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ScottH

Well-Known Member
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Jeff25 said:
hows it going everyone?
im new to BJ and this site.
i really enjoy the game and i am going to give counting a try.
im currently going through "the blackjack cource" that was posted in another tread, its very helpful.
basic stratagy is coming to me slowly but surley. i want to use KO to count because of its simplicity. it will take me awhile to get quick enough for the casinos, but time i have.

my "home" casino will be Brantford, i dont know if anyone here is familiuar with it. the rules are, 3:2, dealer stands on all 17's, split up to 4 times, double after split. 8 decks are used, the penatration is, id say, 80%.
would you guys say these are decent conditions? i can also travel to Niagara falls every now and then.

well thats all i have to say right now, once i master BS and start learning to count ill have many more questions, untill then good luck, make some $!
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That game would be good only if you back-counted. As in, only play in the positive counts.
 
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E-town-guy

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One should keep in mind that in most casinos in Canada there aren't as many BJ tables open as in some of the busy casinos in the States so its harder to wong in all the time without going back and forth between the same tables (sometimes as few as two or three). Also, there aren't as many casinos in a short distance so its harder to just leave after wonging in a few times at one casino. I think if the conditions are decent enough you should attack it with a big spread, 1-20, and take bathroom breaks when the true count gets really bad. I must admit sitting through a couple shoes where you don't get to make a big bet can really boring though!
 
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Jeff25

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Thanks for a responce, when you guys say "wonging in" does that mean only sit down and play when the count is in my favour?

I have a couple of questions about KO. i dont own the book so im just going of the info provided on the KO rookie page. its says, the player can gain a .16advantage in 8D games using a 1-5 spread, and a .43 with a 1-10 spread. do you guys agree with this?
It also says that there are only 2 bets, big and small, no betting ramp. KO says to start my count at -28, when the count hits -6, bet big. is this accurate?

thanks for the help.
 
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ScottH

Well-Known Member
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Jeff25 said:
Thanks for a responce, when you guys say "wonging in" does that mean only sit down and play when the count is in my favour?

I have a couple of questions about KO. i dont own the book so im just going of the info provided on the KO rookie page. its says, the player can gain a .16advantage in 8D games using a 1-5 spread, and a .43 with a 1-10 spread. do you guys agree with this?
It also says that there are only 2 bets, big and small, no betting ramp. KO says to start my count at -28, when the count hits -6, bet big. is this accurate?

thanks for the help.
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Just buy the book, it's a very easy book to read. Your hourly earnings won't be that great with a .43 advantage. I think you can double your hourly rate just by "wonging in", which means you enter the game at a certain positive count.

Also, I would recommend you use the KO-Preferred that is described in the book. It's not too much harder, but you can see for yourself once you get the book, which can be ordered on this site.

As far as the information you have about KO-Rookie, it's all correct.
 
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Cass

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Jeff25 said:
Thanks for a responce, when you guys say "wonging in" does that mean only sit down and play when the count is in my favour?

I have a couple of questions about KO. i dont own the book so im just going of the info provided on the KO rookie page. its says, the player can gain a .16advantage in 8D games using a 1-5 spread, and a .43 with a 1-10 spread. do you guys agree with this?
It also says that there are only 2 bets, big and small, no betting ramp. KO says to start my count at -28, when the count hits -6, bet big. is this accurate?

thanks for the help.
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those number sound about right with 1-12 spread you should be getting a 1% advantage in this game with top bet coming at +4 play all.
 
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ScottH

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Cass said:
those number sound about right with 1-12 spread you should be getting a 1% advantage in this game with top bet coming at +4 play all.
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A 1% advantage with play-all using KO-Rookie? Are you sure?
 
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Cass

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ScottH said:
A 1% advantage with play-all using KO-Rookie? Are you sure?
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With a 1-12 spread using hilo and I18 (probably stronger than rookie ko). The advantage would be .74%. So no i guess he wouldnt have that good of a advantage. He would probably need to spread 1-20 in this 8 deck game.
 
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ScottH

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Cass said:
With a 1-12 spread using hilo and I18 (probably stronger than rookie ko). The advantage would be .74%. So no i guess he wouldnt have that good of a advantage. He would probably need to spread 1-20 in this 8 deck game.
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Or he could "wong in" with a smaller spread.
 
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ScottH

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Cass said:
With a 1-12 spread using hilo and I18 (probably stronger than rookie ko). The advantage would be .74%. So no i guess he wouldnt have that good of a advantage. He would probably need to spread 1-20 in this 8 deck game.
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The advantage for 8-deck play-all for the KO-Full is only .53. I think that is using a 1-10 spread.
 
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ScottH

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Jeff25 said:
1 to 20 spread...
5-100 i cant afford that, lol

would the game i described earlier be worth playing with, id say a 1-10 spread.
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As I posted earlier, using a 1-10 spread, using KO-Full, which is more powerful than KO-Rookie, you would only get a half a percent edge. That's probably not what you're looking for unless you're only playing for fun.

If you were going to spread 1-10, or 5-50, why dont you just spread 10-50 "wonging in"? You would be using a smaller spread, and your top bet would remain the same, and your expected value would go way up. A higher EV with less risk.

And in an 8-deck game a 1-5 spread shouldn't get any attention, especially at the 5 dollar unit level.
 
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E-town-guy

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Jeff25 said:
Thanks for a responce, when you guys say "wonging in" does that mean only sit down and play when the count is in my favour?

I have a couple of questions about KO. i dont own the book so im just going of the info provided on the KO rookie page. its says, the player can gain a .16advantage in 8D games using a 1-5 spread, and a .43 with a 1-10 spread. do you guys agree with this?
It also says that there are only 2 bets, big and small, no betting ramp. KO says to start my count at -28, when the count hits -6, bet big. is this accurate?

thanks for the help.
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Don't be chicken, if you're playing an 8deck game spread 1-20! Keep in mind you can also play two hands of 10units to constitute a 1-20spread.
 
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ScottH

Well-Known Member
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E-town-guy said:
Don't be chicken, if you're playing an 8deck game spread 1-20! Keep in mind you can also play two hands of 10units to constitute a 1-20spread.
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Do most pit crews recognize two hands at 10, being a 1-20 spread?
 
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E-town-guy

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ScottH said:
Do most pit crews recognize two hands at 10, being a 1-20 spread?
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To most pit critters two hands of $100 looks less suspicious than one hand of $200. Not to mention two hands of $100 reduces your variance when compared to one hand of $200.
 
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Jeff25

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at brantford casino the maximum bet at all of their tables is $100, so i would have to spread 5-200 for the 1-20. that sounds kind of risky, betting $5 then jumping up to $100. what do you guys think?

i also have a question about KO. it seems to me that you are missing some oppertunities to raise your bet in between the irc (-28) and the key count (-6)(i hope you guys understand what im trying to say). would it be possible for a shoe to not even reach the key count?

thanks agein.

Jeff
 
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