Maybe Ken can do this? Basic strategy came from doing millions of computer tests on bj hands to figuar out the long term way of playing blackjack. Isn't it possible to do the same thang but with betting? Have the same computers run threw millions of blackjack hands playing B.S and trying out all the diffrent betting strategies out there and seeing which ones win the most or lose the least? Of course you would have to set table limits and have a set bankroll. I don't know how complicated you would be able to make it though.
shouldn't there be a way to figuar out the best betting strategy
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That's an easy one. If you're playing a game with a house edge, which includes almost all blackjack games with just basic strategy, the optimal strategy is to not play at all.
Short of that, the second best strategy is to bet the minimum on every hand.
Any betting system that increases your bets will cost you money.
Short of that, the second best strategy is to bet the minimum on every hand.
Any betting system that increases your bets will cost you money.
Betting
Ken's answer is of course, dead on.
But flat betting is Boring....
So, players try some from of a progression.
There a best way to play your hands....Basic Strategy.
There is a best way to bet your hands.....Counting.
Is there a best way to bet for the progression player, that doesn't count cards ?????
Here are the results from 73 hands that I just played and recorded.
The senero is three guys, a flat better, a counter and a progression player (Oscars Grind) all decide to play.
But only the counter will play the hands (one spot).
They will "piggy back' their bets and he will play.
That way they are all using the same hands.
The deal is : They all start with $100 and it ends when (1) one of them doubles his money or (2) they have played one hour.
At the end of 73 hands : (which had a nice win percent of 52.03%)
Flat better +$32.50
Counter +$42.50
Oscar +$102.50
What does this prove.......Nothing. (other than they "fell right" for Oscar's Grind)
Three different methods and three different results, on the Same hands.
And again, I am NOT saying you should play Oscar's Grind.
Ken's answer is of course, dead on.
But flat betting is Boring....
So, players try some from of a progression.
There a best way to play your hands....Basic Strategy.
There is a best way to bet your hands.....Counting.
Is there a best way to bet for the progression player, that doesn't count cards ?????
Here are the results from 73 hands that I just played and recorded.
The senero is three guys, a flat better, a counter and a progression player (Oscars Grind) all decide to play.
But only the counter will play the hands (one spot).
They will "piggy back' their bets and he will play.
That way they are all using the same hands.
The deal is : They all start with $100 and it ends when (1) one of them doubles his money or (2) they have played one hour.
At the end of 73 hands : (which had a nice win percent of 52.03%)
Flat better +$32.50
Counter +$42.50
Oscar +$102.50
What does this prove.......Nothing. (other than they "fell right" for Oscar's Grind)
Three different methods and three different results, on the Same hands.
And again, I am NOT saying you should play Oscar's Grind.
What about this one. I know someone else should have come up with this by now.
Bet 1 unit. Win, keep winnings and bet again. Lose, bet again. Lose again, double bet. Keep doubling every loss. When you win, you are either even or ahead because of a blackjack, possibly far ahead if the blackjack comes late.
Now, with an unlimited bank, this is unbeatable. Limited, however, it just depends on what you play with and the minimum. On a $1 table you can lose 7 hands and come back with only $128.
Thoughts?
Bet 1 unit. Win, keep winnings and bet again. Lose, bet again. Lose again, double bet. Keep doubling every loss. When you win, you are either even or ahead because of a blackjack, possibly far ahead if the blackjack comes late.
Now, with an unlimited bank, this is unbeatable. Limited, however, it just depends on what you play with and the minimum. On a $1 table you can lose 7 hands and come back with only $128.
Thoughts?
LeonShuffle
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That's called the Martingale method. And with table limits and a limited bankroll, it's the fastest way to ruin. I once went 18 straight hands (on-line) without a win. 3 pushes, 15 losses (I think 5 or 6 of them were double down losses). Luckily, I was flat betting as I always do on-line.
LeonShuffle
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Here's one that works for me: Bet 10, if you win bet 10 again, if you win again bet 50,000. If you win, quit and go home.
And I won't even charge for that one. That's a freebie. Enjoy.
And I won't even charge for that one. That's a freebie. Enjoy.
Senacchrib
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That is a good one, but I have a few better ones...
Here is my strategy. If you win a hand, buy everyone at your table drinks. If you lose, ask for the people to pay for your drinks. If you win and then lose, ask the people to pay you back. If you lose then win, then repay those people what they bought for you.
Or, even better one. Bet 20 dollars. If you win, send me the whatever you would up your bet by in paypal, and then continue to flat bet/send me paypal.
Enjoy
newyorkbear
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Pretty much any strategy that has you increasing your bets after wins,then dropping back to your original bet after a loss will "work" better than one that has you increasing your bets after losses.Unless you get in a very choppy game that goes-Win $10,lose $15,win $10,lose $15 ect,ect.
What works for ME is not increasing my bets during losing streaks. This allows you to ride out that run with minimal losses. Increasing my bets fractionally when winning lets me win more in a sustained winning streak,IF one comes along.
Of course if you've won four hands in a row but the count is very much against you,you should bet according to the count,not the winning streak.
Or not,depending on the situation,the alignment of Mars and Pluto and several other factors too technical to get into.
What works for ME is not increasing my bets during losing streaks. This allows you to ride out that run with minimal losses. Increasing my bets fractionally when winning lets me win more in a sustained winning streak,IF one comes along.
Of course if you've won four hands in a row but the count is very much against you,you should bet according to the count,not the winning streak.
Or not,depending on the situation,the alignment of Mars and Pluto and several other factors too technical to get into.
Positive Progression
Being a newbie, with a renewed interest in the game, I lost $60 or so in Vegas a couple of weeks ago while at a trade show. I decided to get educated. Got back to Missouri and tried out basic strategy with no real betting strategy, except conservative bets. Turned $50 into $150 in an hour. Got up and walked away. Two nights later, I'd bought in at $90, and was down to about $20. The other players finally tapped out and it was just me and the dealer. At that point, he took mercy on me and said, "let me help you with your betting, now that those other jerks are gone."
The minimum bet was $10. His tip went like this. Bet minimum. After 2 consecutive wins, add $5 to your bet. If you win that, add another $5. And so on. When you lose, drop down to the minimum and stay there until the next 2 consecutive wins, then, start adding $5 per win.
Pretty soon, I was up to $260. I did have a nice couple of runs, getting up to a $40 bid.
I eventually dropped down to $205, at which point, I grabbed my chips, and just visited with the dealer for a while, making sure to leave a tip. Then left, up $115 for the night.
Tonight, I bought in at $60, same table, and got up to $155, before dropping down to $125, at which point I left, up $65. However, my winning streaks were much lower, not getting above a $25 bet.
Don't know what this progression is called, but I'll try it out a few more times before buying in a little higher.
Anybody got any tips to add to this strategy, or comments?
Being a newbie, with a renewed interest in the game, I lost $60 or so in Vegas a couple of weeks ago while at a trade show. I decided to get educated. Got back to Missouri and tried out basic strategy with no real betting strategy, except conservative bets. Turned $50 into $150 in an hour. Got up and walked away. Two nights later, I'd bought in at $90, and was down to about $20. The other players finally tapped out and it was just me and the dealer. At that point, he took mercy on me and said, "let me help you with your betting, now that those other jerks are gone."
The minimum bet was $10. His tip went like this. Bet minimum. After 2 consecutive wins, add $5 to your bet. If you win that, add another $5. And so on. When you lose, drop down to the minimum and stay there until the next 2 consecutive wins, then, start adding $5 per win.
Pretty soon, I was up to $260. I did have a nice couple of runs, getting up to a $40 bid.
I eventually dropped down to $205, at which point, I grabbed my chips, and just visited with the dealer for a while, making sure to leave a tip. Then left, up $115 for the night.
Tonight, I bought in at $60, same table, and got up to $155, before dropping down to $125, at which point I left, up $65. However, my winning streaks were much lower, not getting above a $25 bet.
Don't know what this progression is called, but I'll try it out a few more times before buying in a little higher.
Anybody got any tips to add to this strategy, or comments?
Dont bet progressivly negative
The pros on this site proclaim that I had the worst run of losses in the history of Black Jack, perhaps in the history of all card games.
That makes me the champion of all loosers right?
Using this perfect knowledge of loosing streaks I want to tell everyone - DO NOT Progessively bet your losses. This string has brought up several great points. The table limit will eventually kill you or your spouse will.
Flat betting will make you money if your patient. Black Jacks, Splits, and Double downs will eventually pay your way.
Walk away after 6 losses.
Increase your basic flat bet after you doubled your BR.
I still find myself increasing my flat bet before I doubled my bank but you know waht happens - I loose it.
The pros on this site proclaim that I had the worst run of losses in the history of Black Jack, perhaps in the history of all card games.
That makes me the champion of all loosers right?
Using this perfect knowledge of loosing streaks I want to tell everyone - DO NOT Progessively bet your losses. This string has brought up several great points. The table limit will eventually kill you or your spouse will.
Flat betting will make you money if your patient. Black Jacks, Splits, and Double downs will eventually pay your way.
Walk away after 6 losses.
Increase your basic flat bet after you doubled your BR.
I still find myself increasing my flat bet before I doubled my bank but you know waht happens - I loose it.
zengrifter
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All of the above quote is BULL-SH*T! ... So what did Clicker really learn from this thread? zg(hint - close your eyes and tell me what you see)Clicker said:
Mikeaber
Well-Known Member
zengrifter said:
Clicker.....we discussed this before but I must not have been clear enough. Flat betting using basic strategy alone will NOT make money. You are playing at a house edge of anywhere from .14% on a great double deck game up to around .63% on a 6-deck shoe. You have to have all of those Basic Strategy double downs and splits and blackjacks just to keep your loses down to the percentage represented by the house edge if you are flat betting. Keep in mind also that the house edge is calculated against the total amount you wager. That's why just playing "systems" based on streaks will not pay off in the long run. It will simply increase your losses because you are betting more than you would be by flat betting.
I do wish there was an "Easy Button" for winning at Blackjack. But there isn't. Counting or getting lucky and finding a dealer who is revealing hole cards is about the only way to really gain an advantage.
CAPPERANGEL
New Member
STRONGLY DISAGREEKenSmith said:
:violin:
zengrifter
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Tell us YOUR BETTING STRATEGY, Capperangel. zg
Ps - What playing strategy do you use?
Ps - What playing strategy do you use?