killerbot848
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can shuffle tracking be used in any other game that blackjack, like poker, texas hold em? has any one ever tried it?
thanks, killerbot
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shuffle tracking
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Sonny
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I've done it in a few "friendly" games, but don't expect to do it in a casino. As Scott said, it's just too easy to mix up a single deck of cards. Until the casinos invent multi-deck poker I'm afraid the shuffle trackers will have to reserve their skills for beating their friends at nickel/dime kitchen tables.killerbot848 said:
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I must say I am a huge advocate of shuffletracking. Especially the negative nrs which basically means tracking highly negative sections of the shoe. Its a great way to play negative shoes with a usually nice size advantage. Besides that its a great form of cover for counters because you're laying out your multi unit bets during semingly high negative counts. If done correctly there is almost no shoe that you can't at least get some advantage, whether it be through regular counting, or betting big on the high cards that you cut into play.
Just looking back through some old threads at the moment and i have to agree with Bojack on this one. As long as game conditions contiue to deteriorate in the realms of hand shuffled blackjack the only way forward for the few that are dedicated enough to follow is shuffle tracking.
In honesty now, i don't play by the count at all. I simply track packets of high cards through the shuffle and play the good section of the deck. As it is not always possible to get the cut card, i find that playing the packets where they fall is another form of great cover as the few pit bosses who are savey enough to know what to look for, look for the person betting big off the top of the shoe all the time. It does mean that ever so often, my packet's cut out of play, but as i usually have a secondardy packet, i'm never that short.
Shuffle tracking is IMHO where blackjack advantage players will need to go in the coming few decades if the CSM's don't wipe us out completely. Of course i could be wrong and i am ever hopeful that one day the industry will realise that by losing the paranoia about card counters and such, it can gain massive amounts. But that would mean an increase in penetration and more importantly a decrease in shuffle complexity. That just makes my life easier :devil:
RJT.
In honesty now, i don't play by the count at all. I simply track packets of high cards through the shuffle and play the good section of the deck. As it is not always possible to get the cut card, i find that playing the packets where they fall is another form of great cover as the few pit bosses who are savey enough to know what to look for, look for the person betting big off the top of the shoe all the time. It does mean that ever so often, my packet's cut out of play, but as i usually have a secondardy packet, i'm never that short.
Shuffle tracking is IMHO where blackjack advantage players will need to go in the coming few decades if the CSM's don't wipe us out completely. Of course i could be wrong and i am ever hopeful that one day the industry will realise that by losing the paranoia about card counters and such, it can gain massive amounts. But that would mean an increase in penetration and more importantly a decrease in shuffle complexity. That just makes my life easier :devil:
RJT.
halcyon1234
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As others have said, not without a sloppy dealer. You're better off trying to catch a glimpse at the cut card, or sitting next to a sloppy player. I once sat next to a player who got progressively drunker, and kept flashing one of his hole cards to me. Admittedly, I already had an awsome read on him-- but knowing when he had a king in his hand saved me quite a bit of money. (And no, I don't have any qualms with using this information. I didn't go out of my way to see his hole cards... I'd have to go out of my way NOT to see it. He might as well have been playing face up).killerbot848 said:
As for shuffle tracking, it might be a moot point after all. Last time I was at Fallsview Casino, they were using automatic shufflers on the poker table. It's build into the table. They press a button-- the table opens and a shelf pops up with two decks. They put the used deck on one pad, and take the other (shuffled deck). They press a button, and the shelf lowers, and the table closes. The table shuffles the deck while the hand is played out.
Normally, I'm against any sort of automatic shuffler. HOWEVER, since shuffletracking poker is nigh impossible anyways, I welcome this invention. Fallsview poker tables have a $5/half hour table fee-- so the more hands per hour, the better.