Sick of the talk of 21 the movie

[blackchipjim]

I'm so tired of sitting at tables with the dealers talk centered on the stupid movie. I think the dealers are so hung up on the thought of catching someone they forget thier primary job. I have had dealers screw up paying winning hands wrong and adding thier own hands wrong that I could scream. They blah,blah blah 21 the movie blah, blah and then go on to take a winning hand and pay losing ones. I've told more than one dealer to concentrate on what the @#$$ they are doing or they can play homeless dealer in the sequel. blackchipjim:whip:

 

[QFIT]

I'm so tired of sitting at tables with the dealers talk centered on the stupid movie. I think the dealers are so hung up on the thought of catching someone they forget thier primary job. I have had dealers screw up paying winning hands wrong and adding thier own hands wrong that I could scream. They blah,blah blah 21 the movie blah, blah and then go on to take a winning hand and pay losing ones. I've told more than one dealer to concentrate on what the @#$$ they are doing or they can play homeless dealer in the sequel. blackchipjim:whip:

The more dealer errors the better.

 

[Canceler]

I've never heard word one about the movie while at the casino. I guess I must not get out much.

 

[blackchipjim]

dealer errors

I would normally agree with Qfit about dealer errors but if it reaches a certain level the pit is standing by the dealer. I believe it can slow the game down to a point of making the game unplayable. The dealers,and there is not many of them do it to show thier gambling prowess. Casual consevation is one thing and not letting the conversation get away from the movie is another. blackchipjim

 

[callipygian]

I've never heard word one about the movie while at the casino.

It came up in conversation once or twice when I was in Vegas in April. I just said, "Oh, is that that blackjack movie? I hear the blonde's pretty hot." That usually ends the topic pretty quickly (strangely enough - usually hot blondes make for better conversation than math and nerds).

 

[GentleManSteve]

The movie has error in it. The MIT boys said so. Just look it up on Google and you can see where they said it had errors. If people go by the movie they might be putting them self up for a down fall

 

[GentleManSteve]

The more dealer errors the better.

How can the dealer error? They play the game like it is suppose to be played. Stand on 17 and hit on 16 on down. How can they error?

 

[callipygian]

How can the dealer error?

They can miscount their hand or your hand; they can pay out on pushes or push wins. Assuming the dealer makes errors both in your favor and against you, you can profit by selectively correcting mistakes only when they go against you.

 

[GentleManSteve]

They can miscount their hand or your hand; they can pay out on pushes or push wins. Assuming the dealer makes errors both in your favor and against you, you can profit by selectively correcting mistakes only when they go against you.

Oh OK. I get what you are saying now. They are up and up about the movie so they cheat people to get what money they might have lost to card counting or they just get so agitated they mess up on how much they are suppose to pay cause they assume you are counting cards.

I guess that is what you are saying

 

[Harman]

Oh OK. I get what you are saying now. They are up and up about the movie so they cheat people to get what money they might have lost to card counting or they just get so agitated they mess up on how much they are suppose to pay cause they assume you are counting cards.

I guess that is what you are saying

Not necessarily because they think you are counting cards, they may have had a long day or may be new to dealing. Most dealers don't care if you're counting, and hardly any would risk their jobs to try and cheat you... how could they gain from that?

 

[GentleManSteve]

Not necessarily because they think you are counting cards, they may have had a long day or may be new to dealing. Most dealers don't care if you're counting, and hardly any would risk their jobs to try and cheat you... how could they gain from that?

No gain to that. Not really trying to cheat just they get agitated because you might be on a winning streak and they assume you are counting cards.

Or if you bet high when you win and bet low when you loose could make them think you are counting and they might get so agitated that they miss count your winnings.

I do not think they care too much about if you count cards or not but do care if you win too much and it appears to them you are counting.

Most people on this forum need to look what is being said and stop assuming what they mean

 

[Harman]

No gain to that. Not really trying to cheat just they get agitated because you might be on a winning streak and they assume you are counting cards.

Or if you bet high when you win and bet low when you loose could make them think you are counting and they might get so agitated that they miss count your winnings.

I do not think they care too much about if you count cards or not but do care if you win too much and it appears to them you are counting.

Most people on this forum need to look what is being said and stop assuming what they mean

I was just giving an opinion, no offence intended.

 

[callipygian]

Oh OK. I get what you are saying now. They are up and up about the movie so they cheat people to get what money they might have lost to card counting or they just get so agitated they mess up on how much they are suppose to pay cause they assume you are counting cards.

I guess that is what you are saying

That's not what I'm saying at all.

(1) 99% of dealers don't care whether you're counting cards. Dealers move around from casino to casino a fair amount, and there's no loyalty to their employer.

(2) 90% of dealers actually want you to win. Winners tip more.

(3) A lot of new dealers will make a lot of adding mistakes; veteran dealers almost never do. You can take advantage of new dealers by selectively correcting their mistakes.

(4) Almost no dealers will go out of their way to do anything to you. This is seriously like expecting McDonald's cashiers to call the cops if you pocket a few ketchup packets on your way out. Sure, maybe a few might notice. A small number might even care. But to take it upon themselves to stop it requires loyalty and dedication that most simply don't have.

 

[GentleManSteve]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

(1) 99% of dealers don't care whether you're counting cards. Dealers move around from casino to casino a fair amount, and there's no loyalty to their employer.

(2) 90% of dealers actually want you to win. Winners tip more.

(3) A lot of new dealers will make a lot of adding mistakes; veteran dealers almost never do. You can take advantage of new dealers by selectively correcting their mistakes.

(4) Almost no dealers will go out of their way to do anything to you. This is seriously like expecting McDonald's cashiers to call the cops if you pocket a few ketchup packets on your way out. Sure, maybe a few might notice. A small number might even care. But to take it upon themselves to stop it requires loyalty and dedication that most simply don't have.

Maybe so but face the facts. They have pit crew that walk around and they keep an Eye on everything so if they think people are counting then the dealer has nothing to do with it. The eyes in the sky look over it all and the pit crew are called to a certain area if they think somebody is counting or even if they win too much. The pit crew will come and look over the tables for intimidation so it puts pressure on both the dealer and they players. Get the facts straight. Everybody is watching. If they think a dealer is letting somebody win they pull him off and replace them with another dealer.

 

[GentleManSteve]

I was just giving an opinion, no offence intended.

I know everybody does. Give opinions I mean. Some come up with stupid comparisons like McDonald's and card counting. Nothing a like.

 

[callipygian]

Everybody is watching.

It's definitely more fun pretending you're some sort of secret agent, stalked at every move and surviving by raw wit and intellect. But as you're someone who didn't even know how dealer errors favor the player, I'd double down on "you're not James Bond."

If you persist in your delusions of grandeur, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Paranoia about heat is a phase that every new player goes through - let me know when you've played enough to graduate to the next phase of your counting career.

 

[GentleManSteve]

It's definitely more fun pretending you're some sort of secret agent, stalked at every move and surviving by raw wit and intellect. But as you're someone who didn't even know how dealer errors favor the player, I'd double down on "you're not James Bond."

If you persist in your delusions of grandeur, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Paranoia about heat is a phase that every new player goes through - let me know when you've played enough to graduate to the next phase of your counting career.

I never said how anything favored anybody. I was confused about what kind of error you was hinting at.

I know dealers can make mistakes for the player and against the player. Either way it is a mistake for either.

As for as the movie 21 the MIT boys said it was fictionalized and had a lot of errors.

You want to make a comparison between taking Catsup from McDonald's and counting cards and cheating the casinos out of money.

That to me is a ediotic comparison but have found out that kind of philosophy runs rapid in this forum.

 

[Sonny]

Get the facts straight. Everybody is watching.

But most of the time they aren’t watching you. Surveillance is watching dealers and employees. Unless they get a call from the pit they probably don’t even know you exist. The pit critters are usually scheduling dealers, maintaining comp slips, regulating table fills, filling out paperwork or just blankly staring off into the distance. Unless you get their attention somehow (or fail to elude their attention) you can usually get through a session without much trouble.

You want to make a comparison between taking Catsup from McDonald's and counting cards and cheating the casinos out of money.

I don’t think he mentioned anything about cheating. Although card counters are considered “undesirable” customers, most of them are just “catsup stealers” compared to the casino’s bottom line.

-Sonny-

 

[GentleManSteve]

But most of the time they aren’t watching you. Surveillance is watching dealers and employees. Unless they get a call from the pit they probably don’t even know you exist. The pit critters are usually scheduling dealers, maintaining comp slips, regulating table fills, filling out paperwork or just blankly staring off into the distance. Unless you get their attention somehow (or fail to elude their attention) you can usually get through a session without much trouble.



I don’t think he mentioned anything about cheating. Although card counters are considered “undesirable” customers, most of them are just “catsup stealers” compared to the casino’s bottom line.

-Sonny-

If the casinos that Card counting is cheating then they cheat the casinos. They make it where they player has the edge to begin with so to close that edge is cheating. The dealer has to hit on 16 and under and has to stay on 17 and above there for giving the player the edge.

If they player goes beyond that edge they casinos consider that cheating.

That is why I said he was talking about cheating because casinos consider it cheating cause they get more of an edge than what the casino gives them.

Bottom line.

 

[callipygian]

I know dealers can make mistakes for the player and against the player. Either way it is a mistake for either.

Anyone who's played more than a few hours of blackjack has seen a dealer error; anyone who's caught it has recognized the value in selectively correcting the dealer.

You want to make a comparison between taking Catsup from McDonald's and counting cards and cheating the casinos out of money.

That to me is a ediotic comparison but have found out that kind of philosophy runs rapid in this forum.

It's really no sweat off my back what you consider idiotic or not. If you really think that card counting is "cheating" the casinos or somehow more dangerous than swiping a few ketchup packets, I doubt anyone else really cares what you think is idiotic either.

Never mind that, even for most veterans in the forum, they could probably earn more money by becoming a dealer and working for the casino instead of playing as a card counter. BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA! The casinos are tracking down your home address right now just for posting on a forum where people talk about winning $10/hr from a casino!