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phfredd

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I have a question about this game I found at one of the local indian casinos.
I wanted to know if this game was beatable and what the benefits/cons would be? I am new to this so I may use the wrong terms, sorry.

Game Rules:
Single Deck
All player cards face up

double at any time, 3 cards, 4 cards, etc

surrender at any time 3 cards, 4 cards, etc even after double

You can split late, EX: you have 8,3 double and get another 3. You can split the second 3 off and get a different double card and then start fresh with the new 3.

Blackjack pays 1:1 for regular and 3:2 for suited.

Thanks in advance...
 
EasyRhino

EasyRhino

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phfredd said:
Blackjack pays 1:1 for regular and 3:2 for suited.
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I can't work out the math, but this almost definitely kills it. Even worse than 6:5 on BJ, as suited naturals are very rare (I had two in a nine hour session)
 
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Claza

Active Member
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Don't get suckered by Single 21 at Spirit Mountain

phfredd said:
...Game Rules:
Single Deck
All player cards face up

double at any time, 3 cards, 4 cards, etc

surrender at any time 3 cards, 4 cards, etc even after double

You can split late, EX: you have 8,3 double and get another 3. You can split the second 3 off and get a different double card and then start fresh with the new 3....
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I too found this game, at Spirit Mountain in Oregon. It's their only single deck game, called Single 21. It is misleading, because it does not have printed on the felt how much blackjacks pay, it only says Insurance pays 2:1, and Dealer Hits Soft 17.

Here is the complete set of rules, the bad ones in bold:
  • 100% penetration (played to the last card, believe it or not!).
  • Face-up game.
  • Surrender at any time, even after splits or doubles, but only after dealer checks for blackjack.
  • Double-down on any number of cards.
  • No double-down for less (every single table in the casino gets to double-down for less except for this particular table!).
  • Split up to 4 hands.
  • Re-split Aces. Aces receive only 1 card after split.
  • Split after hit, Split after double, anytime 2 same value cards touch you can split the second one only and start a new hand. You cannot split to prevent busting.
  • Player's blackjack always wins.
  • Player's with 6 cards without busting are automatic winners, unless dealer has blackjack.
  • Suited blackjack pays 3:2, unsuited blackjack pays 1:1.
  • No mid-shoe entry (even though the game isn't technically dealt from a shoe, it is a handheld game!).
  • Play 2 hand at double table minimum, play more than 2 hands at pit critter's discretion.
  • Table minimum $25 on weekends, $10 on weekdays.
  • Dealer hits soft 17.
  • Dealer peeks under Aces and 10s.
  • No sidebets at this table.

I know it isn't a good game, but could someone plug it into a simulator, just for kicks?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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It's an excellent game, just not with standard techniques! This is the kind of game you want to leave to very experienced specialists with large bankrolls, like the Superfun 21 players.
 
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ScottH

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Automatic Monkey said:
It's an excellent game, just not with standard techniques! This is the kind of game you want to leave to very experienced specialists with large bankrolls, like the Superfun 21 players.
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Are you referring to hole-carding?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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ScottH said:
Are you referring to hole-carding?
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No. Any game dealt down to the last card can be played for an advantage, especially with the surrender-any-time, double-any-time, and 6-cards-win rules. A 6:5 game dealt to the last card would be beatable even without all the special rules. The split-after-hit rule can get extra money down on the table. But dealing to the last card creates a dangerous boundary effect, when they run out of cards. This game requires a special simulator and high risk tolerance.
 
Brutus

Brutus

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what exactly does casinos do when they deal down to the last card and the hand isn't finished?
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get the dealer to pull the cards out of the discard rack, and finish out the play.
preferrably unshuffled.
 
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ScottH

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Automatic Monkey said:
No. Any game dealt down to the last card can be played for an advantage, especially with the surrender-any-time, double-any-time, and 6-cards-win rules. A 6:5 game dealt to the last card would be beatable even without all the special rules. The split-after-hit rule can get extra money down on the table. But dealing to the last card creates a dangerous boundary effect, when they run out of cards. This game requires a special simulator and high risk tolerance.
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I'm not seeing where it says that the game is dealt down to the last card anywhere in the original post.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Automatic Monkey said:
It's an excellent game, just not with standard techniques! This is the kind of game you want to leave to very experienced specialists with large bankrolls, like the Superfun 21 players.
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I didn't see the 100% pene - it is an excellent game for an expert! zg
 
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shadroch

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EasyRhino said:
I can't work out the math, but this almost definitely kills it. Even worse than 6:5 on BJ, as suited naturals are very rare (I had two in a nine hour session)
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Why would suited BJs be very rare? You'll get them about a quarter of the time you get a BJ. Whichever suit your first card is,the next card is one of four,hence it is a 25% shot that your BJ will be suited.You should get one around every 84-88 hands.On a crowded table,figure every ninety minutes.
Its a bad deal,but not terrible. Four regular BJs at a $10 table=$60.Four at a
6:5 table=$48 Four(1 suited)=$50. Better than a 6:5 game.
 
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