Super hot streaks vs. super cold streaks

[azbetsgonewild]

I have experienced this on more than one occasion, and of course one can blame on natural standard deviation. But what are the extremes?

However, I can remember one specific shoe, late night probably 1am, no one else at the table, out of a 6deck shoe I lost exactly 1 hand. That was completely rediculous in a good way of course(started with nothing, ended with more than $3k+)

I can also remember other instances where I won maybe 1 hand out of an entire 6 deck shoe. Infact probably more than one horrifying instances, I once counted a 22 hand consecutive loss, luckily at a table min of $5.

Obviously, strange things can happen in a casino card game. I have one one occasion been dealt 4 blackjacks in a row, and also seen the dealer get a blackjack 5 out of 6 consecutive hands. In these occasions I would be inclined to blame close card values being clumped into one area of the shoe, perhaps not shuffled througoughly from the beginning therefore keeping some aces and kings/queens in the same general part of the shoe, but its still fishy.

This has happened on all occasions in a machine shuffled shoe. As we all know, the initial distribution of the cards is random, but the machines shuffle in a predictable manner, its nearly impossible for a machine to do a truely random job like a human can.

Anyone else have odd experiences good and bad to report?

 

[ihate17]

If you play enough, anything can happen

I read years ago that in a 24 hour period of blackjack you should experience one streak of 10 straight losses.
I have also had a streak of around 20 and a couple of streaks that had to be over 15 straight.
I have also been dealt 7 straight aces. Resplit aces to 4 hands and landed up with hands of 2,2,2,6 or 4 hands adding up to 12 and watched the dealer get a 6 card BUST.
I have hit a 9 on four straight times while hitting 12.
And exactly like you, I have played to shoe from heaven and the shoe from hell.
And I guess a lot of other seemingly abnormal things over many years of blackjack.
And almost all of this happened on hand shuffled games.

I do not know if the machines can be programed to cause clumps of certain cards. If so, some expert could find a way to exploit this but might not want to share the info.

ihate17

 

[Mikeaber]

Three people at the table. Count was +1. All three of us were dealt Blackjacks and the dealer had an Ace up! He didn't have it. This happened this morning at a 6D Hand Shuffled game at Sac & Fox north of Topeka, Kansas. Dealer stands on soft 17. All other rules were normal.

If you play long enough, you'll see a lot of unlikely things take place!

 

[azbetsgonewild]

Three people at the table. Count was +1. All three of us were dealt Blackjacks and the dealer had an Ace up! He didn't have it. This happened this morning at a 6D Hand Shuffled game at Sac & Fox north of Topeka, Kansas. Dealer stands on soft 17. All other rules were normal.

If you play long enough, you'll see a lot of unlikely things take place!

No KIDDING!!! I used to go to the Sac & Fox every couple months when I lived in Omaha since they had a 2 deck game. I won big there on 2 seperate occasions out of maybe going there 10 times total. It was a good 3 hour drive for me so it was always when I had a nice big weekend off.

Out of every casino in a 200 mile radius, it was probably my favorite, small, quiet, and good games/rules.

 

[azbetsgonewild]

I don't think they can necessarily be programmed to do that, I think its just they way they do it initially, they are first shuffled by hand(but very poorly) just by basically moving the cards around amongst themselves on the table, so they stay somewhat in the same order, then fed into the machine, so if like cards are somewhat clumped from the beginning, the shuffler mixes them up but still keeps the same cards in the general part of the deck, I have watched those machines pretty close and they shuffle exactly the same way every time. Basically it takes 1 clump, splits them, suffles them from front to back and then does the same to the next clump, it goes through this cycle a couple times then at the end the entire deck is shuffled from front to back at pretty much a 50/50 mix, but I do not think that the cards wind up that far away from each other in the end, could be why you sometimes see those rediculous runs of like 10-15 10's and face cards with only a few small cards in the mix.

It would be impossible to really track without the aid of a computer of some sort, but clumping does happen even if by accident.

I read years ago that in a 24 hour period of blackjack you should experience one streak of 10 straight losses.
I have also had a streak of around 20 and a couple of streaks that had to be over 15 straight.
I have also been dealt 7 straight aces. Resplit aces to 4 hands and landed up with hands of 2,2,2,6 or 4 hands adding up to 12 and watched the dealer get a 6 card BUST.
I have hit a 9 on four straight times while hitting 12.
And exactly like you, I have played to shoe from heaven and the shoe from hell.
And I guess a lot of other seemingly abnormal things over many years of blackjack.
And almost all of this happened on hand shuffled games.

I do not know if the machines can be programed to cause clumps of certain cards. If so, some expert could find a way to exploit this but might not want to share the info.

ihate17

 

[zengrifter]

Recently I was dealt hard 16 and required a hit, the ploppy to my right was dealt A9 and STUPIDLY HIT receiving the 10 otherwise meant for me - I then drew a 5! What are the odds! (goddamn stupid ploppies!)

Another time, about a year ago I was playing at a semi-full 2D table with inferior Royal Match (2.5/25 pay) and ALL of the ploppies were playing the Match and losing. I admonished them for 45 min that it was such a sucker bet. Then I made change to tip a cocktail waitress and I put the change 2.00 each on the two Match bets of my hands and SOB! Two Royal Matches at the same time! Really pissed the others off. The odds of that happening are in excess of 100,000 to one. The bad luck of it was that had the dealer got one of the Royals instead of me getting both it would have paid a $1000 bonus.

Play long enough and you'll see incredible things happen! zg

 

[ihate17]

Advice from the pit

Recently I was dealt hard 16 and required a hit, the ploppy to my right was dealt A9 and STUPIDLY HIT receiving the 10 otherwise meant for me - I then drew a 5! What are the odds! (goddamn stupid ploppies!)

Another time, about a year ago I was playing at a semi-full 2D table with inferior Royal Match (2.5/25 pay) and ALL of the ploppies were playing the Match and losing. I admonished them for 45 min that it was such a sucker bet. Then I made change to tip a cocktail waitress and I put the change 2.00 each on the two Match bets of my hands and SOB! Two Royal Matches at the same time! Really pissed the others off. The odds of that happening are in excess of 100,000 to one. The bad luck of it was that had the dealer got one of the Royals instead of me getting both it would have paid a $1000 bonus.

Play long enough and you'll see incredible things happen! zg

ZG

Your 5 story reminds me of a time in Vegas. I am sitting at third base in a shoe game and this guy to my right is playing some form of no bust blackjack.
The shoe is slightly negative and this guy and I are just getting stiff after stiff vs the dealers 7-A. The guy would stay everytime and luckily I am getting a card that keeps me in the game (not always winning) every time. The pit, eyeballing the ploppy next to me, tells me that that's (the ploppy to my right) is the reason casinos never go broke.
Knowing that my pit friend now at least knows I am not a soft player and I do not want to leave when the dealer is only cutting a deck or less, I pull out my BS card and ask if I can pull this out when needed because I keep getting confused on the double downs when I have an ace? He tells me I can keep it out in my chip stack and leaves.

ihate17

 

[Cass]

I have experienced this on more than one occasion, and of course one can blame on natural standard deviation. But what are the extremes?

However, I can remember one specific shoe, late night probably 1am, no one else at the table, out of a 6deck shoe I lost exactly 1 hand. That was completely rediculous in a good way of course(started with nothing, ended with more than $3k+)

I can also remember other instances where I won maybe 1 hand out of an entire 6 deck shoe. Infact probably more than one horrifying instances, I once counted a 22 hand consecutive loss, luckily at a table min of $5.

Obviously, strange things can happen in a casino card game. I have one one occasion been dealt 4 blackjacks in a row, and also seen the dealer get a blackjack 5 out of 6 consecutive hands. In these occasions I would be inclined to blame close card values being clumped into one area of the shoe, perhaps not shuffled througoughly from the beginning therefore keeping some aces and kings/queens in the same general part of the shoe, but its still fishy.

This has happened on all occasions in a machine shuffled shoe. As we all know, the initial distribution of the cards is random, but the machines shuffle in a predictable manner, its nearly impossible for a machine to do a truely random job like a human can.

Anyone else have odd experiences good and bad to report?

Hard to believe...
Hmmm 22 hands in a row? How long have you been playing. Ive played a lot of BJ and i think the most ive lost in a row is maybe 12 or so losses. 22?? The odds of that must be like 1 in a 100,000. Someone should figure that out. Only losing 1 hand out of a six deck shoe? wouldnt that be like 1loss and 30winning hands? I suppose it would depend on how many other players were at the table. hmmm... I guess ive never had anything that extreme happen to me. 4 bj in a row.. the odds of that would be 1 in 83,000. assuming 1 out of 17 hand is a bj.. I think thats right.

 

[Mikeaber]

No KIDDING!!! I used to go to the Sac & Fox every couple months when I lived in Omaha since they had a 2 deck game. I won big there on 2 seperate occasions out of maybe going there 10 times total. It was a good 3 hour drive for me so it was always when I had a nice big weekend off.

Out of every casino in a 200 mile radius, it was probably my favorite, small, quiet, and good games/rules.

Their DD game isn't as good as that at Golden Eagle which is only 8 miles away, but their 6D beats the crap out of GE. At least .2% better on the 6D even though pen isn't quite as good. S&F has another advantage also. After you are through playing, you can grab a beer!

 

[azbetsgonewild]

Hard to believe...
Hmmm 22 hands in a row? How long have you been playing. Ive played a lot of BJ and i think the most ive lost in a row is maybe 12 or so losses. 22?? The odds of that must be like 1 in a 100,000. Someone should figure that out. Only losing 1 hand out of a six deck shoe? wouldnt that be like 1loss and 30winning hands? I suppose it would depend on how many other players were at the table. hmmm... I guess ive never had anything that extreme happen to me. 4 bj in a row.. the odds of that would be 1 in 83,000. assuming 1 out of 17 hand is a bj.. I think thats right.

I have been playing for 8 years, not NEARLY today as much as I did in the past.

22 hands was rediculous, anytime I lose more than 3 times in a row I keep tab of how many hands I lost. I told them the odds of that happening was astronomical, but the odds of me only losing 1 hand out of an entire shoe by myself is too.

Just goes to show that statistics can be thrown out the window in the short run.

 

[azbetsgonewild]

Their DD game isn't as good as that at Golden Eagle which is only 8 miles away, but their 6D beats the crap out of GE. At least .2% better on the 6D even though pen isn't quite as good. S&F has another advantage also. After you are through playing, you can grab a beer!

lol, wait there is casino's that don't serve alcohol?

Yeah, only being able to split once and double only on 10 and 11 kills it. I won the most on the 6 deck game.

Whats up with offering insurance on every 10 upcard though? Talk about a sucker bet.


Being able to re-split aces helps too.

 

[Mikeaber]

lol, wait there is casino's that don't serve alcohol?

Yeah, only being able to split once and double only on 10 and 11 kills it. I won the most on the 6 deck game.

Whats up with offering insurance on every 10 upcard though? Talk about a sucker bet.


Being able to re-split aces helps too.

Yes, several that don't serve booze. You can get into those non-alcoholic casinos at the age of 18 instead of 21.

 

[azbetsgonewild]

Yes, several that don't serve booze. You can get into those non-alcoholic casinos at the age of 18 instead of 21.

Thats kind of sad.

There was one like that in northern iowa near souix city, seeing high school kids go in there and blow their lawn mowing money, its bad, and annoying because they would never hit anything over a 13-14. There is a good reason that you should be 21 to gamble.

That place did serve alcohol too.

 

[gobbledygeek]

Regarding losing streaks, two of my last three sessions I didn't win a hand (cuz I go home soon as I lose my 10 units). Session one: 9 losses, 1 surrender, 1 push. Session three: 9 losses, 1 surrender, 2 pushes. Considering I always end a session on a loss/surrender, that means both of these non-winning streaks were at least 12 and 13 hands, respectively.

(posted just as real-life example for those who think a martingale type progessive betting system ain't dangerous, I woulda reached the table max on the 8th hand had I been using one)

 

[Cass]

Regarding losing streaks, two of my last three sessions I didn't win a hand (cuz I go home soon as I lose my 10 units). Session one: 9 losses, 1 surrender, 1 push. Session three: 9 losses, 1 surrender, 2 pushes. Considering I always end a session on a loss/surrender, that means both of these non-winning streaks were at least 12 and 13 hands, respectively.

(posted just as real-life example for those who think a martingale type progessive betting system ain't dangerous, I woulda reached the table max on the 8th hand had I been using one)

I hope the casino was a short drive from your house!

 

[gobbledygeek]

I hope the casino was a short drive from your house!

A seven minute walk! Sometimes my walks are expensive, sometimes the casino pays me for my walk.

 

[Safehouse]

Losing Streak in Mesquite

Stopped at Eureka Casino in Mesquite Nevada on a road trip last week. Sat down and lost 18 hands in a row. I've never taken a beating that hard before. My biggest losting streak before this was 14, at San Manuel.

Biggest winning streak: I've hit 10 in a row several times, once while playing a positive progression in my early days of ignorance. My $10 bet turned into $920 (300 table max). I haven't been able to duplicate that one, so I've quit trying. Back to BS and Hi/Lo.

 

[Mackhack]

Hi,

I had last year a similar thing here...

I played SD, I got 13 times a 12 and 13 times I had to hit and got 13 times a 10 valued card and... BUSTED!!! You really think and believe that there is someting odd. But I guess that's what we have to live with...

 

[azbetsgonewild]

well, I had one of the most incredible sessions I have had in a long time about a week ago, it was good timing too since i really needed a boost in the bank department.

It had been at least 6 months since my last session.

Went to casino AZ with about $500 in my pocket, literally spent nearly all of it and was all the way down to approx $35, then got a couple blackjacks in a row, started my climb back up, and had several 9-10 hand winning streaks and not a lot of losing streaks. I bet agressively whenever I get on a hot streak so when it hangs in there I usually pull a pretty good amount.

about 10 hours later, I walked with $4k

went back 1 week later, did it again for $800

just went yesterday to another casino, ironically this casino I have not won at once in the last 10+ times I have been there, true to form, lost $500.

thats it for me for the time being!! Reminded me of why this game is so addicting, just glad to be back on the winning side of things.

 

[ortango]

However, I can remember one specific shoe, late night probably 1am, no one else at the table, out of a 6deck shoe I lost exactly 1 hand. That was completely rediculous in a good way of course(started with nothing, ended with more than $3k+)

A couple weeks ago I walked into the casino, and left 40 mins later. I was up 64 units FLAT betting in mediocre or negative counts. Now I play heads up pretty fast but never in my wildest dreams would I think you can make 64 units in 40 mins flat betting. Since my units were blacks, I decided it would be good to leave at that point instead of raising suspicion. I swear she couldnt hand me a bust card to my stiffs to save her life, and always gave herself one.

I can also remember other instances where I won maybe 1 hand out of an entire 6 deck shoe. Infact probably more than one horrifying instances, I once counted a 22 hand consecutive loss, luckily at a table min of $5.

22 consecutive loss is not unlikely, in my experience. I think I may have had 2 or 3 of those in the last few months.

Obviously, strange things can happen in a casino card game. I have one one occasion been dealt 4 blackjacks in a row, and also seen the dealer get a blackjack 5 out of 6 consecutive hands.

Dealer had a 4 in a row on me yesterday, and I was playing two hands.

All this stuff is rare but will happen, the longer you play the less unusual it will seem. Good cards!