Surrender with Negative TC

#1
I know most of you leave the table when the TC becomes negative. However, if you would be playing at a negative TC at a table where surrender is offered at what point does it become better to take a hit rather than surrender?

Thanks.
 
#3
Bj

bj2I said:
I know most of you leave the table when the TC becomes negative. However, if you would be playing at a negative TC at a table where surrender is offered at what point does it become better to take a hit rather than surrender?

Thanks.
No snide remarks from me, I am the friendly one here:grin:

Now, playing in negative counts takes alot of study and memorizing many negative indice plays, and if you would or would not use them when LS is offered,,,it is a sort of a specialist game you are inquiring about. Usually you should leave the table at -2tc.

Start reading books by Wong, Snyder, Don S, Blackwood, Renzey, Bootlegger, etc. Also the Wizard of Odds is very valuable, as well as Norms Qfit.

Best to you my friend.:)

Always Warm And Fuzzy,
CP
 

Deathclutch

Well-Known Member
#4
It is completely dependent on the count that you use. You can use CVData to generate all the indices you'll need, although you won't need a ton of surrender indices. It's better just to leave by that point.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#5
Deathclutch said:
It is completely dependent on the count that you use. You can use CVData to generate all the indices you'll need, although you won't need a ton of surrender indices. It's better just to leave by that point.
Keep in mind, though, that surrender indices are stronger for wongers or BP teams. 13-14 v. X-A, 14-15 v. 9, 16 v. 8-7
 

Nynefingers

Well-Known Member
#6
moo321 said:
Keep in mind, though, that surrender indices are stronger for wongers or BP teams. 13-14 v. X-A, 14-15 v. 9, 16 v. 8-7
Moo, this thread is about indices for play in negative true counts. That won't be an issue for wongers or BP teams.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#7
Nynefingers said:
Moo, this thread is about indices for play in negative true counts. That won't be an issue for wongers or BP teams.
I was responding to the claim that you "won't need a ton of surrender indices". Sort of true, but it depends on your playing style. If you come in at +3, then you want some obscure surrender indices.
 

Deathclutch

Well-Known Member
#8
moo321 said:
I was responding to the claim that you "won't need a ton of surrender indices". Sort of true, but it depends on your playing style. If you come in at +3, then you want some obscure surrender indices.
A person asking this sort of question most likely won't need a ton of surrender indices :)
 

Nynefingers

Well-Known Member
#9
bj2I said:
I know most of you leave the table when the TC becomes negative. However, if you would be playing at a negative TC at a table where surrender is offered at what point does it become better to take a hit rather than surrender?

Thanks.
moo321 said:
I was responding to the claim that you "won't need a ton of surrender indices". Sort of true, but it depends on your playing style. If you come in at +3, then you want some obscure surrender indices.
He's not talking about coming in at +3. He's talking about not even wonging out in a negative count.
 
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