test 15vs9

KOLAN

KOLAN

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#1
#1
basik strategy sey hit
i whant just testit this
smal test
i take 1 deck players 10,5 vs 9
play 1 hunds busik strategy after 1 hands played shufle .
10 times busik strategy
10 times stand
my results
basik strategy
7 times lost 3 times win
stand strategy
6 times lost 4 times win
my results 10vs 9 stand
can you do same and send yours results ???
thanks .
before same body delite my theard :confused:
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#3
#3
bjtocki said:
What don't you just buy Don's book "Blackjack Attack"? It shows all the statistic result by decks, player vs dealer hands.
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i got tomony books i
i now all statistik from books
i now all simulation show need hit
bet on practic when i stand i got more profit .
i whont you send my only yors 20 hands results
thanks
 
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1357111317

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#4
#4
KOLAN said:
basik strategy sey hit
i whant just testit this
smal test
i take 1 deck players 10,5 vs 9
play 1 hunds busik strategy after 1 hands played shufle .
10 times busik strategy
10 times stand
my results
basik strategy
7 times lost 3 times win
stand strategy
6 times lost 4 times win
my results 10vs 9 stand
can you do same and send yours results ???
thanks .
before same body delite my theard :confused:
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You played 20 hands an you think that is enough to say that basic stratagy is wrong? Try playing a couple million hands and then come back and tell us what you got.
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#5
#5
1357111317 said:
You played 20 hands an you think that is enough to say that basic stratagy is wrong? Try playing a couple million hands and then come back and tell us what you got.
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i dont say nothing i just ask can you play 20 hands
 
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shadroch

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#6
#6
I played 25, and he is 100% right. BS was designed by the casinos, for the casinos.
Don't be a sheeple. Play the twenty hand and see for yourself.
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#7
#7
1357111317 said:
You played 20 hands an you think that is enough to say that basic stratagy is wrong? Try playing a couple million hands and then come back and tell us what you got.
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i whant to make real statistik if 100000 player gona play 20 hands
you gona see statistik for 2000000 hand
for this time 2-0 win stand
 
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Renzey

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#8
#8
KOLAN said:
i got tomony books i
i now all statistik from books
i now all simulation show need hit
bet on practic when i stand i got more profit .
i whont you send my only yors 20 hands results
thanks
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Here are the actual odds on multi-deck 15 vs. 9:
the play...........win........lose........tie.......net result
STAND............22.9%......77.1%......0%........-54.2%
HIT................23.2%......70.4%......6.4%.....-47.2%

If you want to get a relatively accurate picture of your real life chances with this hand, here's what you need to do.

First, shuffle 2 decks together so as to come very close to the 6 deck probabilities. Second, after giving the dealer a 9 and yourself a 10/5, stand with your 15 and play out the dealer's hand. Next, leave the 9 and the 15 on table and play out the next hand without shuffling the cards. I repeat -- you do not need to shuffle the cards! It's a waste of time -- nothing more! Just run right through the deck until all the cards are gone. You need the outcomes of 300 hands to have a 90% chance that your random results will not overlap that of playing the hand the other way.

Finally, play out 300 more hands, this time hitting your 15 until you either bust or make 17 or better, and finishing out the dealer's hand. Of course if you bust, don't bother to finish out the dealer's hand. Again, don't bother to shuffle after each hand! Just use up all the cards, then shuffle thoroughly and keep going.

After playing this hand 300 times each way, there's a 90% chance you'll have done better by hitting rather than standing. If by some quirk, your results show the opposite, you've hit a 10% shot, and need to run 300 more hands. Add the 600 together, and if still not convinced, run 300 more.

As painfully lengthy as this may sound, you need to do what's necessary to build faith and confidence in the basic strategy. The sample size of 300 was selected based on the difference between the "odds" for hitting vs. standing with this particular hand. Closer hands would require a larger sample size -- and more decisive hands wouldn't need as many.

Kolan, do yourself a favor. Run the test. See for yourself. I did it with several hands 34 years ago. They made me a believer where I was a doubter.
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#9
#9
Renzey said:
Here are the actual odds on multi-deck 15 vs. 9:
the play...........win........lose........tie.......net result
STAND............22.9%......77.1%......0%........-54.2%
HIT................23.2%......70.4%......6.4%.....-47.2%

If you want to get a relatively accurate picture of your real life chances with this hand, here's what you need to do.

First, shuffle 2 decks together so as to come very close to the 6 deck probabilities. Second, after giving the dealer a 9 and yourself a 10/5, stand with your 15 and play out the dealer's hand. Next, leave the 9 and the 15 on table and play out the next hand without shuffling the cards. I repeat -- you do not need to shuffle the cards! It's a waste of time -- nothing more! Just run right through the deck until all the cards are gone. You need the outcomes of 300 hands to have a 90% chance that your random results will not overlap that of playing the hand the other way.

Finally, play out 300 more hands, this time hitting your 15 until you either bust or make 17 or better, and finishing out the dealer's hand. Of course if you bust, don't bother to finish out the dealer's hand. Again, don't bother to shuffle after each hand! Just use up all the cards, then shuffle thoroughly and keep going.

After playing this hand 300 times each way, there's a 90% chance you'll have done better by hitting rather than standing. If by some quirk, your results show the opposite, you've hit a 10% shot, and need to run 300 more hands. Add the 600 together, and if still not convinced, run 300 more.

As painfully lengthy as this may sound, you need to do what's necessary to build faith and confidence in the basic strategy. The sample size of 300 was selected based on the difference between the "odds" for hitting vs. standing with this particular hand. Closer hands would require a larger sample size -- and more decisive hands wouldn't need as many.

Kolan, do yourself a favor. Run the test. See for yourself. I did it with several hands 34 years ago. They made me a believer where I was a doubter.
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i dont need this i need only 20 hands from you all this i can find in books
 
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shadroch

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#10
#10
Jeez, Fred. Wheres your sense of adventure? I'd like to see the results of
100,000 players doing this experiment. It'll take days,perhaps weeks to reach that many players on this site.
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#12
#12
Renzey said:
Here are the actual odds on multi-deck 15 vs. 9:
the play...........win........lose........tie.......net result
STAND............22.9%......77.1%......0%........-54.2%
HIT................23.2%......70.4%......6.4%.....-47.2%

If you want to get a relatively accurate picture of your real life chances with this hand, here's what you need to do.

First, shuffle 2 decks together so as to come very close to the 6 deck probabilities. Second, after giving the dealer a 9 and yourself a 10/5, stand with your 15 and play out the dealer's hand. Next, leave the 9 and the 15 on table and play out the next hand without shuffling the cards. I repeat -- you do not need to shuffle the cards! It's a waste of time -- nothing more! Just run right through the deck until all the cards are gone. You need the outcomes of 300 hands to have a 90% chance that your random results will not overlap that of playing the hand the other way.

Finally, play out 300 more hands, this time hitting your 15 until you either bust or make 17 or better, and finishing out the dealer's hand. Of course if you bust, don't bother to finish out the dealer's hand. Again, don't bother to shuffle after each hand! Just use up all the cards, then shuffle thoroughly and keep going.

After playing this hand 300 times each way, there's a 90% chance you'll have done better by hitting rather than standing. If by some quirk, your results show the opposite, you've hit a 10% shot, and need to run 300 more hands. Add the 600 together, and if still not convinced, run 300 more.

As painfully lengthy as this may sound, you need to do what's necessary to build faith and confidence in the basic strategy. The sample size of 300 was selected based on the difference between the "odds" for hitting vs. standing with this particular hand. Closer hands would require a larger sample size -- and more decisive hands wouldn't need as many.

Kolan, do yourself a favor. Run the test. See for yourself. I did it with several hands 34 years ago. They made me a believer where I was a doubter.
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o man it is yours test:flame: .my test is 1 deck and shufle after all played hands
it is not to hard i spend for this 7 minutes .
 
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Renzey

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#19
#19
KOLAN said:
i dont need this i need only 20 hands from you all this i can find in books
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Okay, I'll play along. Here are my 20 hands.

Stand: Win 4, Lose 6.
Hit: Win 0, Lose 8, Push 2

Kolan, one suggestion regarding this survey:
Instead of scoring by the Won/Lost record of 10-hand-series' -- score by the total number of cumulative hands.
 
KOLAN

KOLAN

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#20
#20
Renzey said:
Okay, I'll play along. Here are my 20 hands.

Stand: Win 4, Lose 6.
Hit: Win 0, Lose 8, Push 2

Kolan, one suggestion regarding this survey:
Instead of scoring by the Won/Lost record of 10-hand-series' -- score by the total number of cumulative hands.
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now results is
100 hands played
5-0
win stand
 
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