The Bear Growls, the Stratosphere welches

[zengrifter]

The Bear Growls: Stratosphere welches on payment to winning patron

Long-time Las Vegas-based advantage player, casino critic, and frequent BJ21.com contributor LVBear offers his opinions on things that sometimes go wrong in the world of casinos. Current and past growls can be read and comments posted at LVBear's website, TheBearGrowls.com

By LVBear
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The Wizard of Odds was recently victimized by an unethical sportsbook manager at the Stratosphere in Las Vegas. Here is a link to the Wizard’s comments:

http://wizardofodds.com/casinos/vegasblacklist.html

Shame on the Stratosphere for using this excuse to stiff a patron. Shame on the Nevada Gaming Control Board for letting casinos get away with arbitrary “expiration dates” of sportsbetting tickets. Assuming what the Wizard wrote is accurate, I think we can put Patrick Rethore in the same category as the creeps who run the Wynn sportsbook. Wynn’s sportsbook has stiffed at least one winner using the “expired ticket” excuse. Terrible’s has done the same. Planet Hollywood now admits that “intelligent bettors” (the exact words of one of its employees) are not allowed to bet there. Stratosphere and its related properties have adopted a similar policy.


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[zengrifter]

It's time to teach some of these extortionary scumbags a lesson.
— Don Schlesinger, to The Wizard

 

[shadroch]

Does the casino even get to keep the money? In NY,unpaid lottery and horse racing tickets go to the state where the owners can try to reclaim them.I'd be surprised if Nevada let the casinos have the money,when other states won't.In AC,the TITO have no expiration dates,but after a year you need go to a special window.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

A lesson to us all- treat the fine print on any gaming instrument just as seriously as we treat the Terms & Conditions for an online bonus, if we want to get paid.

When we are hustling a bonus or a promotion, we expect the casino to abide by every jot and tittle of what they have written, and they are going to do the same to us. Shame of the Stratosphere for having such terms and for treating a customer like that, though. They seems like the kind of store that's always ready to implode anyway, I wouldn't walk out of there without cashing anything.

 

[dangeroso]

That sucks, but why the hell didn't he cash it sooner? That's $2600, not $50...

 

[zengrifter]

That sucks, but why the hell didn't he cash it sooner? That's $2600, not $50...

He's good with math, but not TODO LISTS. zg

 

[dangeroso]

He's good with math, but not TODO LISTS. zg

Lol...

I wish him the best with this, regardless.

 

[El Gordo]

What a stupid person! He does not read the ticket and is crying about it later. This guy may be good with math and offer an informative site but he obviously has no other smarts about him. When he bought the ticket he entered into a contract with them that was clearly printed on the back of the ticket. He did not follow that contract and he is wrong. Now he wants to cry about it all over the Internet like the a little girl. I understand that people want to support him because he has a site with helpful information but that makes the supporters stupid too. He screwed up and that is his problem of being an idiot and not reading the fine print as they say. Quit crying over the spilled milk and deal with it.

 

[moo321]

What a stupid person! He does not read the ticket and is crying about it later. This guy may be good with math and offer an informative site but he obviously has no other smarts about him. When he bought the ticket he entered into a contract with them that was clearly printed on the back of the ticket. He did not follow that contract and he is wrong. Now he wants to cry about it all over the Internet like the a little girl. I understand that people want to support him because he has a site with helpful information but that makes the supporters stupid too. He screwed up and that is his problem of being an idiot and not reading the fine print as they say. Quit crying over the spilled milk and deal with it.

Hey, tell us how you really feel...

 

[EasyRhino]

I also find the Wiz's blacklist to be a bit parochial.

 

[moo321]

I also find the Wiz's blacklist to be a bit parochial.

The blacklist of the Stratosphere, or of online casinos? I'd blacklist a casino for refusing to pay a bet 10 years after it was supposed to be paid. A gambling debt is a gambling debt, and you always pay it. It simply isn't done.

 

[mdlbj]

Me and two other friends just got bottle service and a meal comped at TI... You all must be doing something wrong. Maybe reading to many books and not practicing enough. Kens book is great as well as Norms latest.

 

[mdlbj]

The Strat is a horrible place to play as well as the Orleans. NYNY does Pref shuffling. Avoid them all.

 

[Kasi]

Does the casino even get to keep the money? .

Good question.

Are slot machine tix the same with exp dates?

Was it New York that felt compelled to pass a law banning expiration dates on gift cards recognizing it was nothing more than a naked ploy to rip people off.

Next will be 1-week exp dates soon followed by the gov't printing them on $20bills.

Anybody know if sportsbook tix are redeemable by mail from out-of-state?

Anyway, deplorable, if u ask me.

 

[moo321]

Good question.

Are slot machine tix the same with exp dates?

Was it New York that felt compelled to pass a law banning expiration dates on gift cards recognizing it was nothing more than a naked ploy to rip people off.

Next will be 1-week exp dates soon followed by the gov't printing them on $20bills.

Anybody know if sportsbook tix are redeemable by mail from out-of-state?

Anyway, deplorable, if u ask me.

I think redeeming a sportsbook ticket by mail might violate the wire fraud act. Being across state lines and all.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I think redeeming a sportsbook ticket by mail might violate the wire fraud act. Being across state lines and all.

No I don't think so. Both parties were in Nevada when the bet was made. It's calling in bets from out of state that is a problem.

 

[moo321]

No I don't think so. Both parties were in Nevada when the bet was made. It's calling in bets from out of state that is a problem.

I thought we were talking about mailing it from out of state. Still think it might be a little dicey if it's across state lines...

 

[Doofus]

Anybody know if sportsbook tix are redeemable by mail from out-of-state?

Read the back of the ticket. On the ones I got on my recent trip to Vegas, there was a blurb about how to go about redemption by mail, plus it gave the address.

 

[SystemsTrader]

No I don't think so. Both parties were in Nevada when the bet was made. It's calling in bets from out of state that is a problem.

You have it right AM. I've placed bets in Nevada, then collected after by sending in the ticket from out of state, then Vegas sends you a check. As long as you place the bet while in Nevada, you can collect from anywhere. (Except maybe Cuba or North Korea):laugh:

 

[Kasi]

Does the casino even get to keep the money? In NY,unpaid lottery and horse racing tickets go to the state where the owners can try to reclaim them.I'd be surprised if Nevada let the casinos have the money,when other states won't.In AC,the TITO have no expiration dates,but after a year you need go to a special window.

Just an update - currently in Pennsylavnia it's up to the discretion of each slot operator to set the expiration dates any way he sees fit and the slot owners get to keep the winnings of any uncashed tix.

It'll probably eventually be changed though to force unclaimed winnings to go to the State and also set min exp dates like 6 months.