The casinos have nothing to worry about

QFIT

QFIT

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A guy called me and said my software says it is wrong to late surrender A2vA. I tried for seven minutes to explain how bad a play this is. Unbelievably bad. Strip rules, hitting has a -10.043% EV according to Blackjack Attack. Surrender has, of course, a -50% EV. An amazing five times as bad. He continued to claim that he has been playing for 40 years, and he knows that hitting is stupid. At the end of the conversation, he said “Well, I hope you’ve learned something today.”:)

I may have learned something -- but not what he thinks.
 
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iCountNTrack

iCountNTrack

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QFIT said:
A guy called me and said my software says it is wrong to late surrender A2vA. I tried for seven minutes to explain how bad a play this is. Unbelievably bad. Strip rules, hitting has a -.10043 EV according to Blackjack Attack. Surrender has, of course, a -.5% EV. An amazing five times as bad. He continued to claim that he has been playing for 40 years, and he knows that hitting is stupid. At the end of the conversation, he said “Well, I hope you’ve learned something today.”:)

I may have learned something -- but not what he thinks.
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It is funny how he chose to call you, and i thought i was annoying with all my questions/wishes :)
 
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Canceler

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QFIT said:
He continued to claim that he has been playing for 40 years...
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I can believe someone has played incorrectly for 40 years.

The good news: He got your software! :)

The bad news: Sounds like he's not going to learn anything from it. :(
 
Lonesome Gambler

Lonesome Gambler

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Even if the casinos did have something to worry about, they'd spend so much time worrying about the wrong thing or implementing ridiculous countermeasures that the really terrible players will feel alienated and burn their money elsewhere.

A guy playing a VERY negative-expectation game a while back complained that the pit was sweating too much over his action ($150-200 aggr. bet on 2 hands of a carny game) because he won a big payoff twice (upon which he toked the dealer a huge amount and toked every player at the table $25 each, both times) and was treated with immediate suspicion that didn't subside for at least 30 minutes or so. Anyone with half a clue about game protection could watch this guy and see that he stood to lose a lot of cash, and he was making the dealers and other players at the table happy while he did it! He vocalized to the dealer how uncomfortable the pit was making him feel by continually staring him down, arms crossed—you know the posture—and how it seemed like they didn't even want his money!
 
aslan

aslan

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Lonesome Gambler said:
Even if the casinos did have something to worry about, they'd spend so much time worrying about the wrong thing or implementing ridiculous countermeasures that the really terrible players will feel alienated and burn their money elsewhere.

A guy playing a VERY negative-expectation game a while back complained that the pit was sweating too much over his action ($150-200 aggr. bet on 2 hands of a carny game) because he won a big payoff twice (upon which he toked the dealer a huge amount and toked every player at the table $25 each, both times) and was treated with immediate suspicion that didn't subside for at least 30 minutes or so. Anyone with half a clue about game protection could watch this guy and see that he stood to lose a lot of cash, and he was making the dealers and other players at the table happy while he did it! He vocalized to the dealer how uncomfortable the pit was making him feel by continually staring him down, arms crossed—you know the posture—and how it seemed like they didn't even want his money!
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They're just doing their job...

...which is pretending to know what's going on. :rolleyes:

Can you even imagine in your wildest dreams an advantage player tipping huge to the dealer and then each player at the table $25? :yikes: I mean, even in your wildest dreams!!! :laugh:

It just boggles the imagination! :laugh:
 
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Mr. T

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Where I play eveybody thinks I am crazy everytime I hit 16 vs 7.
Some just keep quiet. Others pass rude remarks. Others are openly hostile to me. Some leave the table. Still others want to take me on for a good arguement or fight.
 
Lonesome Gambler

Lonesome Gambler

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aslan said:
They're just doing their job...

...which is pretending to know what's going on. :rolleyes:

Can you even imagine in your wildest dreams an advantage player tipping huge to the dealer and then each player at the table $25? :yikes: I mean, even in your wildest dreams!!! :laugh:

It just boggles the imagination! :laugh:
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Not to mention that the vast majority of his betting was going to a side-bet that is unbeatable in this particular instance!
 
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Sucker

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I don't believe I've ever seen even the WORST ploppie surrender an A-2. Are you sure this guy wasn't just jerking your chain?

As a matter of fact, A-2 vs A isn't a surrender even when they offer EARLY surrender. It's not even a surrender if the dealer's a loader and you know he's got a 9 in the hole.
 
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tfg

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aslan said:
They're just doing their job...

...which is pretending to know what's going on. :rolleyes:

Can you even imagine in your wildest dreams an advantage player tipping huge to the dealer and then each player at the table $25? :yikes: I mean, even in your wildest dreams!!! :laugh:

It just boggles the imagination! :laugh:
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Hahahaha, so true. The pit people at the place I play are like obsessed with players cards and putting people into the computer to be rated, and so on and not all the time watching the games. Sometimes I look around and they just look like they want to go home. I think for some of the people that have been doing it for a while they've seen a lot over the years but other people it's just a job for them and they punch in and punch out. I always see the female ones especially just talking amongst themselves about **** all the time.

Yeah I can't imagine tipping like that.
 
picasso

picasso

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Mr. T said:
Where I play eveybody thinks I am crazy everytime I hit 16 vs 7.
Some just keep quiet. Others pass rude remarks. Others are openly hostile to me. Some leave the table. Still others want to take me on for a good arguement or fight.
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Try sitting in the anchorman seat and stand on a multiple 16 (say: X-5-A) against dealer X, see how the peanut gallery reacts !
 
aslan

aslan

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picasso said:
Try sitting in the anchorman seat and stand on a multiple 16 (say: X-5-A) against dealer X, see how the peanut gallery reacts !
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I stand on 16 all the time, multiple or not, when the count warrants it, and my favorite seat is third base, unless there is a HC opportunity. You do what you do. Is there someone else in the game? I try not to notice. They play their cards; I play mine. Hey, maybe if I get lucky, some of them will leave. :eyepatch: :laugh:

PS--I do prefer fewer players at the table, but so far, no one has ever left because of what I did at third base. But hope springs eternal. :)
 
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Renzey

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aslan said:
I stand on 16 all the time, multiple or not, when the count warrants it, and my favorite seat is third base.
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When I have 16 vs. 10, I ask the table, "What did I do the last time I had this hand? I always try to alternate with my 16's". That alone has driven people from the table.
 
aslan

aslan

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Renzey said:
When I have 16 vs. 10, I ask the table, "What did I do the last time I had this hand? I always try to alternate with my 16's". That alone has driven people from the table.
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Ha ha ha ha! I'll remember that. I usually say something like, "There's a lot of small cards on the table, so some big ones must be coming up." or, "Every time I hit a 16 I bust." The only possible drawback to your statement is if you are perceived as playing perfect basic strategy, then come up with that out of the blue. If I may use your words, I might add, "It's really a marginal play, so it doesn't really matter that much anyway."
 
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