the Imperial Count???

[Jdesey]

I picked up an old book of mine and it had info on the Imperial count...

this seems like an easy method... basically you count the small cards 2,3,4,5,6 and compare that to an expected ratio....

the expectation is approx 40% of the cards dealt... so if there were 4 players and the dealer and each is expected to get approx 2.5 cards.. then that equals approx 12.5 cards so we expect approx 5 small cards...so if our count was say 8 then we bet larger for the next hand.

do I have this correct???

 

[sagefr0g]

I picked up an old book of mine and it had info on the Imperial count...

this seems like an easy method... basically you count the small cards 2,3,4,5,6 and compare that to an expected ratio....

the expectation is approx 40% of the cards dealt... so if there were 4 players and the dealer and each is expected to get approx 2.5 cards.. then that equals approx 12.5 cards so we expect approx 5 small cards...so if our count was say 8 then we bet larger for the next hand.

do I have this correct???

sounds interesting. what book was that. as you describe it the count kind of reminds me of the ace/ten front count from Renzy's Blackjack Bluebook II . but in the ace/ten front count you count the high cards. also the idea behind the count seems similar to the idea behind the speed count.

 

[Sonny]

This sounds like the Speed Count to me. You are counting Small Cards vs. Total Cards to get an idea of the count. It works on paper, but it is such a weak system that it doesn't perform very well in real life. It is a valid system, just not a very efficient use of effort. I think we have some old thread about the Speed Count and OPP count around here somewhere.

-Sonny-

 

[Jdesey]

thankx Sonny

please point me in the right direction for the OPP or speed count.. I need something simple to use

 

[Sonny]

Here are a few articles on how the system works:

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/Easy_OPP_Card_Counting_System.htm
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/On_The_Math_Behind_The_OPP.htm
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/OPP_Count_System_Fair_Comparison.htm

Here are a few old discussions about it:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=5306
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1607

I think the general consensus is that it is not much easier than a system like KO, yet it is much less effective. Even HiLo is pretty simple to use in comparison.

-Sonny-

 

[Sero]

Imperial Counts by John Gollehon

Yes the Imperial Counts are something explained in booklet called Blackjack Mania by John Gollehon. I know my answer is a little bit late on this issue, like 2 years but I just happened to see this booklet in a books store the other day and i couldn't find more info about the imperial count on the internet so I wanted to make a search on blackjackinfo and saw this thread.

It's a small, like 50-60 pages booklet explanining the Imperial II count. Author claims that the count is very suitable for crowded tables as well as 8D games. More people at the table and more decks used are the better. About how it works is as follows:

Preferably sitting at the 3rd base, the very last seat on the right hand side of the dealer, and counting only small cards, 2,3,4,5,6. We look for a seat in a crowded table, like 6 players playing and we get the 7th seat. We wait for the next shuffle. After the first round where 21 cards consumed (8x2.625), we look for only 6 small cards out of 21 cards laying on the table. Why 6? Because 7 players minus 1 equals 6. (e.g. If there were 8 seats, then we look for 7 small cards). If we have seen 6 small cards, writer claims that we have a slight advantage over the house on the next round. I don't know why and how and so many questions came to my mind while thinking about it. I don't know if he does that for every single hand and starts from scratch on the next hand or accumulates the count after every hand and if so how? I didn't have much of a time to read the details while I was overlooking the booklet but it sounds very easy and so much simple. He also shared a memory in it. He teaches this count to one of his students who is a good basic strategy player and they tested it together and made a nice profit.

You can find more info about the author, John Gollehon, and his books in the following link:

http://www.gollehonbooks.com/

SERO

 

[QFIT]

please point me in the right direction for the OPP or speed count.. I need something simple to use

The correct "direction" is to ignore it. Someone" invents" this count every couple years. Cacarulo and I worked on it for awhile and discarded it. Kim Lee invented it on the spot at a party and called it the "drunk count." A few people have declared they invented it and it was a "revolution." Jake Small came up with it 21 years ago. I have two pages on this at Modern Blackjack Page 197.