The Straw That Broke the Camels Back

KewlJ

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BoSox, I consider you and I (internet) friends. You have been as supportive of me on with all the trolls that follow me around the internet trying to discredit me (likely really only 1 or 2 people, but many more personalities ;)). But you just don't make sense on this topic.

Your statements overnight contradict themselves. You say a person will quickly be recognized by the membership in this community concerning validity. I frequently say the same thing, only I switch out credibility. How many times have you heard me say it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking? Moses is just talking and everyone but you seems to recognize that.

You then go on to say what level he plays is of no concern to you. It should be if his whole story and claim doesn't make sense based on that level.
I share your view that I don't care what level players play. There are many low level red chip players that are successful and knowledgeable. And then, not to pick on anyone, but we have a guy trying to play for a living at the green/black level that seems to really be struggling (treading water) for 3 years now. So that isn't the test. The test is do the pieces fit?

Since you still haven't answered my question about Reno, I will say for the hundredth time, No one can play blackjack professionally, playing only Reno. Reno is a red chip destination. A player is able to roll into town 2-3 times a year, for a few days at a time, over a weekend playing higher, but NO ONE will be tolerated playing green/black or higher regularly and certainly not for decades. That is fantasy stuff.

So everyone seems to recognize the pieces don't fit, except you, BoSox. Now had Moses said, he is a lower limit player, successfully playing Reno supplementing whatever income he has, then the pieces would have fit better and he would have been more credible.

Now frankly, I have found Moses not credible for a very long time. Contrary to popular belief, I don't call out players as credible or not credible very often. I keep that to myself. But when they start saying things that could be harmful, like Moses has done with his no variance statements and T3 did with many statements, then I do feel it is my obligation, all of our obligations to point out the inconsistancies.
 

KewlJ

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BJgenius007 said:
Is Moses mentally ill?
How can you call yourself a genius if you haven't figured this one out. ;)

Look, none of us are medical professionals that have examined Moses, but those that are familiar with him see some very troubling patterns. I personally read what Moses posts, because he has made himself a threat to me, a threat that now on 3 different occasions has involved law enforcement. In one case the complaint wasn't even filed by me, but by management of my building.

Some of those troubling patterns are that he will post reasonably at times and other times be completely off his rocker, making violent threats to find and physically harm people. It almost seems like is he on or off his medication type situation.

And then there is the multiple personality thing. Look, I have created sock puppets at both Norm's site and WoV after I was banned. But it is always to dispute something being said about me and I always try hard to thinly veil that it is me, which is why on those occasions everyone knew it was me and the socks didn't last long. They only served the purpose I intended. Moses creates sock puppets with entirely different back stories, in one case a female and assumes those roles and personalities. I mean that is more than sock puppetry to me, but again, I am not a medical professional qualified for anything but my own opinion.
 
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BJgenius007

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KewlJ said:
How can you call yourself a genius if you haven't figured this one out. ;)

Look, none of us are medical professionals that have examined Moses, but those that are familiar with him see some very troubling patterns. I personally read what Moses posts, because he has made himself a threat to me, a threat that now on 3 different occasions has involved law enforcement. In one case the complaint wasn't even filed by me, but by management of my building.

Some of those troubling patterns are that he will post reasonably at times and other times be completely off his rocker, making violent threats to find and physically harm people. It almost seems like is he on or off his medication type situation.

And then there is the multiple personality thing. Look, I have created sock puppets at both Norm's site and WoV after I was banned. But it is always to dispute something being said about me and I always try hard to thinly veil that it is me, which is why on those occasions everyone knew it was me and the socks didn't last long. They only served the purpose I intended. Moses creates sock puppets with entirely different back stories, in one case a female and assumes those roles and personalities. I mean that is more than sock puppetry to me, but again, I am not a medical professional qualified for anything but my own opinion.
That doesn't make him mentally ill but a great Internet troll.
 

KewlJ

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BJgenius007 said:
That doesn't make him mentally ill but a great Internet troll.
You are asking the question that most here don't and can't know for sure. Because of my involvement in the situation, I actually have a bit more information, but it's not my place to share that.

But I do have a question for you based on this quote. You used the term "great" right there along with "internet troll". :oops: Is internet troll an admirable quality to you? I mean "great" seems like a very inappropriate adjective to use with internet troll to me. :confused:
 

BJgenius007

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KewlJ said:
You are asking the question that most here don't and can't know for sure. Because of my involvement in the situation, I actually have a bit more information, but it's not my place to share that.

But I do have a question for you based on this quote. You used the term "great" right there along with "internet troll". :oops: Is internet troll an admirable quality to you? I mean "great" seems like a very inappropriate adjective to use with internet troll to me. :confused:
Great means "very capable" or "well accomplished".
 

21forme

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BJgenius007 said:
That doesn't make him mentally ill but a great Internet troll.
Internet trolls don't track someone down and show up at their residence.

so·ci·o·path
/ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/
noun
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
 

Raven

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21forme said:
so·ci·o·path
/ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/
noun
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
I have that I think lol Helps when you're losing big for sure
 
Rattler1 said:
I am definitely not associated with the manufacturer... I guess I could email you my OSN profile to prove that I am not if I really needed to (not that I can imagine any situation in which I would do that)... but I do have a dog in this fight. Every blackjack player does and really every gambler does.

It almost seems to me that you think that your claim that you obtained a unit and found that cheating functionality is built in is kind of innocent and inconsequential? You think we should all just go on with our lives and thank you for the heads up?

I think you really underestimate the consequences if your claim were true. That would mean that the independent labs that test the games to make sure they're fair and operational are collaborating with casinos and manufacturers to cheat the player. That's a truly massive allegation and it really would shut down the gaming industry in this country. People would go to jail, the stock prices of large public companies would plummet, etc.

I don't think that's possible and that's why I claim that you're lying.

It's a poor analogy in a lot of ways but I can't think of a better one off the top of my head: what you did by making that claim is kind of like someone screaming "BOMB!" in a crowded movie theater. If you're going to make that bold of a claim, you'd better be prepared to back it up. You're offended by my challenging you to back it up.

I know you won't and your excuse is that you made promises to certain AP's who are exploiting it somehow, and I don't believe it. If by some miracle that were true, I think that it would be absolutely morally reprehensible that you would enable large corporations to cheat players who think they're playing a fair game.

We are going in circles here. So obviously not gonna get anywhere with your current stance. But just wanted to provide my two cents and respond to your suggestion that I am associated with the manufacturer.
Counting or fighting? The latter, most likely. You can’t play when you attend a dozen gambling forums every day looking for a fight. Post even on Christmas Day! The ultimate proof bj card counting is a farce.

Rattler1 is certainly a casino man. He didn’t specify his profession but he clearly speaks from a casino position. He wrote the best post here. He knows well how LV treats the winners. Claiming millions of dollars in winnings over decades is a lie that can’t escape a casino man. The winners would have been driven out from the state of Nevada in a year.

At the same time: LV, NV, AC, PA, halfway around the world to buy ASM that is customs-regulated… all lies that can’t escape an experienced casino employee.

Chances are, FBI already barged their noses in ASMs and continue to do so. Problem is, ASM manufacturers themselves claim that the machines can order the cards. I saw one claiming that ordering of the cards can counter card counting and basic strategy! I know firsthand that dealers didn’t like when I deviated from BS, either avoiding the bust, or improving stiffs! But my results were far from surefire!

Gambling forums are all about infighting, pathological lying, self-therapeutic fantasizing, faking death, faking terminal illness… only marginally about gambling!

Usually, a “feud” starts with Norman Wattenberger nowadays and goes all the way back to… Moses! Full disclosure; I am in one such fight myself on gamblingforums…

Ion Saliu
Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
 

BJgenius007

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donor said:
At the same time: LV, NV, AC, PA, halfway around the world to buy ASM that is customs-regulated… all lies that can’t escape an experienced casino employee.

Chances are, FBI already barged their noses in ASMs and continue to do so. Problem is, ASM manufacturers themselves claim that the machines can order the cards. I saw one claiming that ordering of the cards can counter card counting and basic strategy!

Ion Saliu
Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
I like this new point of view that FBI might already barge their noses in ASM. They should.
 

KewlJ

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BJgenius007 said:
I like this new point of view that FBI might already barge their noses in ASM. They should.
Yeah, well don't believe it. The source, Ion Saliu is a complete nut....far worse than anyone we have even talked about on this forum. He is a complete conspiracy theorist about ALL things, blackjack related and not. He was a long-time poster at Zenzone until he realized no one was paying attention to his rants and now has taken up residency at Gambling Forums, an illegitimate forum that steals posts from other forums to make it look like they have traffic and respected members.

The FBI is not looking into ASMs. They have more important things to do. A challenge and ruling of ASMs would have to be done at a state casino commission level and it would have to be more than a casual complaint. Someone would have to bring a legal challenge, probably represented by the top gaming attorney for such a case to get any traction and be taken seriously. And while there are now many jurisdictions, this kind of thing probably would be initiated and ruled on in Nevada, with the Nevada Gaming Commission and then other jurisdictions take that and run.

And so far, no one, including myself has been willing to be the face of such a challenge. Hell there has even been strong opposition from our own community for obvious reasons.

AS for Ion, anytime anyone opens their post with "the ultimate proof that card counting is a farce", you can stop reading and go on to something more productive.
 
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21forme

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KewlJ said:
Yeah, well don't believe it. The source, Ion Saliu is a complete nut....far worse than anyone we have even talked about on this forum. He is a complete conspiracy theorist about ALL things,
Maybe he should be referred to ZZ where he can interact with the nuts there.
 

BoSox

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KewlJ said:
Yeah, well don't believe it. The source, Ion Saliu is a complete nut....far worse than anyone we have even talked about on this forum. He is a complete conspiracy theorist about ALL things, blackjack related and not.
21forme said:
Maybe he should be referred to ZZ where he can interact with the nuts there.
Yesterday you made the last post in the thread titled "weird day" and said the following:

"I don't read that site."

Since you do not read the site, how can you give an objective opinion?
 

BoSox

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21forme said:
Any other stupid questions in support of the mentally ill fly on the wall?
Only one question. Do you think that all of your replies that are pertaining to a real person, that mirrors the above quote on the same individual makes you look educated?
 
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BJgenius007

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BoSox said:
Only one question. Do you think that all of your replies that are pertaining to a real person, that mirrors the above quote on the same individual makes you look educated?
Now 21forme is very close to Moses mentally. Ten or fifteen years he is one of the good posters in BJ community. Time really flies.
 

KewlJ

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So it has come to my attention that the poster going by Ion Saliu, who recently posted the conspiracy theory about the FBI looking into ASM is now banned from this forum as a known spammer. I got to say, we have the perfect moderator at this forum. He doesn't take side in forum fights. Doesn't allow a lot of garbage either. Bans are quiet and efficient. Kudos Al Rogers.

Now while I am familiar with this guy's hate, anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories concerning blackjack and every other topic under the sun that is responsible for his banning at every forum he has ever been on, I am curious as to whether he was ever a legitimate member of the blackjack community. He lists himself as founder of Blackjack Mathematics, of which a google search turns up nothing. Don S, Zengrifter anyone that has been around for a while and knows this history, was there ever anything legit about this guy as far as blackjack math, or was he always off his rocker?
 
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KewlJ

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Xengrifter, you are not absolved from responsibility because you finally banned him. You provided him a platform for his hate, anti-semitic and other for a very long time. Far longer than it should have taken.

And now You are repeating that mistake with Moses. Moses is nearly as bad. He has threatened physical violence to the point that law inforcment has been involved THREE times. He then stalked me to my residence!

Prior to that he called Norm at home Three times after he was banned. That is two times AFTER Norm told him not to call and hung up on him.

I mean, who does this shit?

I mean come on, your forum is dead, Xengrifter. Why do you continue to provide a platform for this lone member? And you apparently pay yearly to provide him that platform. YOU are as much, if not more the problem that these crazies that gravitate to your forum.
 
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