Took a sh*t! 5k loss lol.... Caesars Windsor!

[Pwn]

No I for sure phucked up - I mixed gambling with counting

But STILLLL you should have seen this streak - It was so ridiculously jaw dropping

 

[standard toaster]

well as long as you know and know how to fix it

yeah some streaks are insane but its all part of the ride

btw ive never seen a thread on this site progress so quickly

 

[Pwn]

the thing is you need a structured betting pattern to get the optimal advantage. with fluctuation largely like that you could actually be loosing all your advantage and possibly giving the house a larger advantage!

Yea that is not real good camo ---- I was working with a 25-150 negative/neutral --- I mean I did not bet the 150 all the time, just made it seem random you know... Like I was " FEELING IT "

 

[ChefJJ]

btw ive never seen a thread on this site progress so quickly

When you gotta vent, you gotta vent! :flame::whip::devil:

 

[cardcounter0]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
NOPE!!!! THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE A MORON WHEN I ASKED FOR PEN
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

thanks for making my day.

so what have we learned:
1) there is more to counting than flipping cards in 20 seconds and watching the movie 21

2) a complete set of rules are not printed on the table at casinos

3) you always win or lose the biggest amount of money in high counts

4) "gambling" and advantage play do not mix

5) when people talk about "flucuation" in blackjack... you have not really seen it yet.

 

[shadroch]

Diamond Status at Harrahs is meaningless these days. The Diamond Lounges
offer potato chips and dip, or fruit salad. You've got $76 in comps. Use them or don't, but don't go back chasing more.
You sound like you are far from ready to pursue BJ as even a PT thing. You lost six big bets and are ready to kill the dealer and suspect cheating.
Stick to low limit tables.

 

[SleightOfHand]

id never come out and ask anyone what the pen is

same. dont claim ANY advanced knowledge about the game. thats just more reason to believe you are counting. some people even think just using surrender is considered advanced, let alone pen (purely made to weaken counters).

 

[Pwn]

well as long as you know and know how to fix it

yeah some streaks are insane but its all part of the ride

btw ive never seen a thread on this site progress so quickly

No you guys are right - It was my fault I mixed gambling with counting but then again I did not go there for profit --- I had the 10k written off and if that weird ass losing streak never came up I might have spent the rest of the 6-7k ( i.e. - Lost the money over a longer periode of time )

It is not that I do not show care for the money it is just that my risk tolerance is through the roof - Obviously when I go to Vegas with a serious bankroll I will be playing much differently... I can confidently say that atleast once a month I have a day where I lose 15-20k maybe more, mind you that could be within a couple hours ---- So no matter how this 5k flux'd, I was ready for it and it was surreal when it actually happened while being aware lol

 

[Pwn]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
NOPE!!!! THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE A MORON WHEN I ASKED FOR PEN
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

thanks for making my day.

so what have we learned:
1) there is more to counting than flipping cards in 20 seconds and watching the movie 21

2) a complete set of rules are not printed on the table at casinos

3) you always win or lose the biggest amount of money in high counts

4) "gambling" and advantage play do not mix

5) when people talk about "flucuation" in blackjack... you have not really seen it yet.

Basically I told myself ok ---- Either I lose it all, or come out big ---- I did not lose it all so I kind of chickend out, but I def learned a lot

 

[EyeHeartHalves]

I am not hurting nor am I holding any grudges, I just want to know if there is a way I can see if they truly are CHEATS???

I would also like to mention that I have 7,665 points on my total rewards card and have a tier of 2,300 -- lol If I go there again I should be able to comp up to platinum level!!! So I guess that is a +? :grin:

I am not hurting for the 4k or w/e I lost I just would like to find out how someone would legitly be able to find out if a certain Casino is cheating. Any information would be greatly appreciated


Thanks,

Pwn

Okay, on a positive note--I think it was a really good idea to give Canada a try before turning 21. You definitely need to get some real-life experience in.

Now, "the bad"--YOU SHOULD BE SEEING A TC OF +6 ABOUT ONCE PER HOUR! Also, you know you were over-betting your trip's bankroll, right??

So, how do you detect a cheating casino? (I DON'T THINK YOU WERE CHEATED BUT LET'S ENTERTAIN THE IDEA.) You would have had to note the exact RC when the shuffle card was thrown onto the felt. (I'm assuming the RC was very positive. If it was neutral or negative when you stopped playing, then I REALLY, REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WERE CHEATED.) Now, if you were a shuffle tracker and they weren't ASM (which they probably were), you could conceivably track the cut-offs and compare it to your shuffle point notation. Without ST'g, you'd have to count the next shoe and the next and the next...

Noting the RC at the shuffle point every time. I don't what type of sample size you'd need but I'm guessing around 10 which might take about three hours. Then, if you told me the RC was over, say "+6", at least 80% of the time, "I'd say there was a good chance that you were cheated."

LOL--but that's just stupid little me--that won't help you with the Ontario officials--they probably wouldn't even listen to you, more less believe you.

 

[Pwn]

same. dont claim ANY advanced knowledge about the game. thats just more reason to believe you are counting. some people even think just using surrender is considered advanced, let alone pen (purely made to weaken counters).

lol Yea! Snyder did not inform me of this - As I thought all rules were posted :joker:

 

[1357111317]

NOPE!!!! THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE A MORON WHEN I ASKED FOR PEN.... The dealer was like " that sounds kinky " ---- Lucky there was this guy in his 30's who told me about 70-75%, with a smile

Next time you go into a casino go straight to the Pit boss and ask him that question, he can probably give you a more accurate answer.

You might have well asked them what the score of that particular game was. Oh and youshould have just asked what the house advantage of th at particular game was while you were at it because you aren't going to last long at the casinos. Making ridiculously dumb comments like that is going to get kicked out of a casino faster than the counter beside you can say 70%

 

[Pwn]

Okay, on a positive note--I think it was a really good idea to give Canada a try before turning 21. You definitely need to get some real-life experience in.

Now, "the bad"--YOU SHOULD BE SEEING A TC OF +6 ABOUT ONCE PER HOUR! Also, you know you were over-betting your trip's bankroll, right??

So, how do you detect a cheating casino? (I DON'T THINK YOU WERE CHEATED BUT LET'S ENTERTAIN THE IDEA.) You would have had to note the exact RC when the shuffle card was thrown onto the felt. (I'm assuming the RC was very positive. If it was neutral or negative when you stopped playing, then I REALLY, REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WERE CHEATED.) Now, if you were a shuffle tracker and they weren't ASM (which they probably were), you could conceivably track the cut-offs and compare it to your shuffle point notation. Without ST'g, you'd have to count the next shoe and the next and the next...

Noting the RC at the shuffle point every time. I don't what type of sample size you'd need but I'm guessing around 10 which might take about three hours. Then, if you told me the RC was over, say "+6", at least 80% of the time, "I'd say there was a good chance that you were cheated."

LOL--but that's just stupid little me--that won't help you with the Ontario officials--they probably wouldn't even listen to you, more less believe you.

Yea phuck those asswholes lol - Now lets switch over to border control!! That is a whole different story! Basically I brought 10k cash and an ATM card lol.... Gave my friend 4k of the 10k just incase ( good thing I did ) -- So we qualify for a " random security check " HA! Boom, super trooper pulls 6k out my pocket and 4k out my friends.... His jaw drops and says where did you get this from, I told the fat over achiever " the bank ".... So now from legitly telling him where the money came from I am considered a " smart ass " ---- So he takes us in this little " waiting section " if you can call it that and we wait for a solid 43 min, mind you I had no access to my car, belongings, etc etc etc. We checked out ok but still.... That punk bitch is lucky I din't see him walking around with out a badge. :laugh:

 

[Pwn]

Next time you go into a casino go straight to the Pit boss and ask him that question, he can probably give you a more accurate answer.

You might have well asked them what the score of that particular game was. Oh and youshould have just asked what the house advantage of th at particular game was while you were at it because you aren't going to last long at the casinos. Making ridiculously dumb comments like that is going to get kicked out of a casino faster than the counter beside you can say 70%

That is weird... Why do you think they did not kick me out right then and there? I mean I asked in a very serious tone

 

[standard toaster]

That is weird... Why do you think they did not kick me out right then and there? I mean I asked in a very serious tone

beause you didnt really have a fuly structured game going on? They dont have any records? a comment like that is not gorunds for barring you right there you need to show them skill, although they most likely were watching you closely. A card counter can estimate pen by just looking at it? He didnt give a ****?

 

[Pwn]

Oh and next time I go to that Casino will be never. Hey since Casinos are Private etc etc, do they have the same rules as the normal world? They should be able to drop charges at will, no?


Pwn

 

[1357111317]

A 20 something walking into a casino, asking what the penetration of the shoe is and betting 500 a year or so after the movie 21 came out. Now if that doesn't scream card counter I don't know what does. Anyone can count cards, only the pros can go about it undetected.

 

[standard toaster]

A 20 something walking into a casino, asking what the penetration of the shoe is and betting 500 a year or so after the movie 21 came out. Now if that doesn't scream card counter I don't know what does. Anyone can count cards, only the pros can go about it undetected.

Exactly but maybe the casino realizes they hey people will think its easy they will coem screw up and more money for us. In my one thread "it was terrible a whole table of counters" showed what happens when a casino offers a game that people think is beatable. This low limit table made a killing because of the movie 21 and the incompetance of players who read a chapter in a book and go out to play

 

[standard toaster]

Oh and next time I go to that Casino will be never. Hey since Casinos are Private etc etc, do they have the same rules as the normal world? They should be able to drop charges at will, no?


Pwn

drop charges at will?

 

[Pwn]

beause you didnt really have a fuly structured game going on? They dont have any records? a comment like that is not gorunds for barring you right there you need to show them skill, although they most likely were watching you closely. A card counter can estimate pen by just looking at it? He didnt give a ****?

I do not know if he was a pitboss or a pissing pole - But the dealer said it sounded kinky and the guy with the suite looked at me realllllllll weird.... Ok best way I can explain it is.....

Let's say your at a strip club and say something like " What's up cupcake, you want to rack up some overtime tonight " Either you will get a simple yes with a smile, or she will look at you like a complete degenerate ---- I am sure you can guess which one I got lol.....