Whatsmytotal
Active Member
How is it possible for any counting system to be accurate without utilizing the true count?
True count
- Thread starter Whatsmytotal
- Start date
Sonny
Well-Known Member
Because you are still tracking the relative high/low composition of the shoe. You are using an initial offset to "balance" the shoe but the RC is still giving a reasonably accurate estimation of the TC:
http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/counting/unbalbal.htm (Archive copy)
-Sonny-
http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/counting/unbalbal.htm (Archive copy)
-Sonny-
hey i'm going counting for the second time shortly and am wondering if this kind of spread is a good idea...
TC <= 1 1 unit
TC = 2 2
3 3
4 5
>= 5 10
The main problem with my last counting experience i feel was not betting enough when the count was high, i feel this shld change that. btw my unit is $5.
TC <= 1 1 unit
TC = 2 2
3 3
4 5
>= 5 10
The main problem with my last counting experience i feel was not betting enough when the count was high, i feel this shld change that. btw my unit is $5.
supercoolmancool
Well-Known Member
You really want to have your max bet at +4.
wow, isn't that spread a little much? i thought mine was over the top, but going to my max bet on a tc of 4?
supercoolmancool
Well-Known Member
+4 true count is the only way to go. Seriously. That is what they say in KO. +4 KO is +4 TC and that is when you place your max bet.
I have to agree with supercoolmancool. I think it is recommended to have your max bet out at a TC of +4.
sagefr0g
Well-Known Member
agreed here also. sort of. i'm planning on ramping my bets up as QFIT showed me that my ramp is too slow. my current max bet which i normally put out at TC=+5 will probably be at TC=+4 and then i'll increase my spread for my biggest bet at TC=+5 . still working on it though gotta simullate it.
wow, really eh. btw, i'm using hi/lo not knockout and my max bet is 10 units so i tought i'd save that for the tc of 5, i guess not
i'm not really concerned about ror as by BR is at 10 grand and growing steadily right now (and with a unit of $5 i'm sure i have a VERY low RoR)
supercoolmancool
Well-Known Member
So for a 1-10 or 1-12 spread, what would a good ramp look like? I had previously done something somewhat similar to the ramp mentioned above:
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4
4 - 6
5 - 10-12 (no math here, just what i felt like)
When you calculate risk of ruin and EV it is assumed your max bet is at +4. The only important quality in a ramp is max bet at +4. I would bet
2-8
3-10
4-12
Last edited:
Sonny
Well-Known Member
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4
4 - 6
5 - 10-12 (no math here, just what i felt like
That's the same spread that Schlesinger used in his sims in Blackjack Attack. Either way is fine. Making your max bet at +4 will get more money on the table but at a lower advantage. "Pulling the trigger" early will increase your EV but also your SD and ROR. If you are playing a game with weak penetration then you might want to make max bets at +4 since a +5 will rarely happen.
As long as the EV and SD are acceptable either spread is fine.
-Sonny-
Last edited:
With 2000 units your ROR is less than 1% It depends on other factors too, but it has to be lower than a percent, probably closer to 0 than 1.
Sonny
Well-Known Member
Your ROR is based on your EV and SD, both of which reflect whatever bet ramp you are using. The formulas will work for any bet ramp you choose.
-Sonny-
supercoolmancool
Well-Known Member
Yah that's what I meant.
thanks everyone for the advice. the pen is quite weak in my game (70-75%) so i'm going to go with...
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 5
4 - 10
I like this spread and I know mine is similar with my kiss count. Higher ROR but it gets the money out there!