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busyb

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Hi all .
I'm a beginner but i practice all the strategies and card counting at home playing Free black jack games online.
And i have been winning 100-300 hundred in 2 hours.So i decided to try this on real table.
i wanna make a living playing blackjack. I was thinking to use betting system everytime you lose double your loses. I will under bet and my goal everyday will be 200-300 dollars. If i can win more than this it's good too.
And If i reach my goal soon I will cash out right away . And I will stay at the casino till i reach my goal doesn't matter how many hours.
The problem is my family wouldn't let me go play at the casino i just turned 22 but still they think I will go broke and they don't want me to start gambling. Well I think it's still better than working 9-5pm and making 8 bucks an hour.
Well I need some professional advice. Should I just stop this idea of making a living playing blackjack?
 
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pooptarts92

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busyb said:
Hi all .
I'm a beginner but i practice all the strategies and card counting at home playing Free black jack games online.
And i have been winning 100-300 hundred in 2 hours.So i decided to try this on real table.
i wanna make a living playing blackjack. I was thinking to use betting system everytime you lose double your loses. I will under bet and my goal everyday will be 200-300 dollars. If i can win more than this it's good too.
And If i reach my goal soon I will cash out right away . And I will stay at the casino till i reach my goal doesn't matter how many hours.
The problem is my family wouldn't let me go play at the casino i just turned 22 but still they think I will go broke and they don't want me to start gambling. Well I think it's still better than working 9-5pm and making 8 bucks an hour.
Well I need some professional advice. Should I just stop this idea of making a living playing blackjack?
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You won't win in the long run using this strategy... In fact the only way it would work is if you had an ENDLESS bankroll and the table limits didn't have an upper limit... Reconsider your priorities.
 
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Josh

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busyb said:
Hi all .
I'm a beginner but i practice all the strategies and card counting at home playing Free black jack games online.
And i have been winning 100-300 hundred in 2 hours.So i decided to try this on real table.
i wanna make a living playing blackjack. I was thinking to use betting system everytime you lose double your loses. I will under bet and my goal everyday will be 200-300 dollars. If i can win more than this it's good too.
And If i reach my goal soon I will cash out right away . And I will stay at the casino till i reach my goal doesn't matter how many hours.
The problem is my family wouldn't let me go play at the casino i just turned 22 but still they think I will go broke and they don't want me to start gambling. Well I think it's still better than working 9-5pm and making 8 bucks an hour.
Well I need some professional advice. Should I just stop this idea of making a living playing blackjack?
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I am by no means the cream of the crop when it comes to being an AP, but I do know this secret procedure that may help you in the long-run:

1. Stop watching movies/documentaries/tv series that talk about making money playing in the casino for a living.
2. Get a real job.
3. Save your money from that real job, putting a fair share aside for a gambling bankroll.
4. Study bj and learn like you would in class.
5. When you're 25, screw your folks and go to the casino and see how you do.
6. If fails, repeat from step 2.

Seems most logical from my perspective :laugh:
 
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assume_R

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If you are counting cards, don't use any "systems" such as doubling your loses, etc. Go through the entire blackjack school link on the left until you thoroughly understand every single sentence in it. And if you're serious about this buy CV Blackjack and read up on how much of a bankroll you'll need to make more than $8 per hour (you will undoubtedly need thousands of dollars of capital to make more than $15 per hour). Honestly, I think if you want to count cards great, but don't "depend" on it for your income especially at 22. Unless you very clearly understand the risks.
 
blackjack avenger

blackjack avenger

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"Counter" Intuitive

Those with the best math skills may not be the most knowledgeable on real world pro issues.

Those with the most knowledge on pro issues may not be the most knowledgeable on math issues.

:joker::whip:

Oh, yeah
On being a pro
It is probably much much harder then you think, as is most things.:joker::whip:
 
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johndoe

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Your family is right. You're playing a losing game, and while you were a bit lucky, it won't last.

Read the resources here, and the books, THOROUGHLY before you even consider playing again. Otherwise all you're doing is gambling, and you're going to lose.

You're young - go get a real job, it's a much better bet.
 
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adventureboy

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It is a rare person who can listen to the advice of others, assimilate it, and put it to effective use. Even harder for a young person of 22. Most people have to make their own mistakes, no matter how obvious. With that in mind, I wil tell you this: If you chose to travel this road, it will end in destruction and misery. Peroid. There is no other ending. You are not ready to play blackjack for a living---not even close. You will need many, many hours of practice in AP techniques to begin to approach the level of skill need to play the game for a living. Problem is, when you put in all the work and build the skill needed, you realize that it is really like a job(a dangerous job) and a lot of the fun and thrill will be gone.

Regards and best wishes,
 
daddybo

daddybo

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Oh boy!

First you need to get an old car with a comfortable back seat, a decent sleeping bag, a good general purpose knife (I like Gerbers), and a box of kitchen matches. You can use the car and sleeping bag to travel and sleep in and the knife and matches to clean and cook road kill.

P.s. Go for the squirrel and rabbit. Possum is greasy and Armadillo carry leprosy. The occasional pit viper is very good, provided it is fairly fresh. Also they are easily found just outside of Vegas.

P.s.s. I forgot to mention the empty milk jug. You'll need it to "borrow" water from gas stations and camp grounds.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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daddybo said:
First you need to get an old car with a comfortable back seat, a decent sleeping bag, a good general purpose knife (I like Gerbers), and a box of kitchen matches. You can use the car and sleeping bag to travel and sleep in and the knife and matches to clean and cook road kill.

P.s. Go for the squirrel and rabbit. Possum is greasy and Armadillo carry leprosy. The occasional pit viper is very good, provided it is fairly fresh. Also they are easily found just outside of Vegas.

P.s.s. I forgot to mention the empty milk jug. You'll need it to "borrow" water from gas stations and camp grounds.
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Sadly, I know a couple "poker pros" who live like this. :( Well, the sleeping in car part anyway. I think they can manage to get food off the casinos. Seems they are always one good win away from turning things around. Haven't met any "BJ pros" in this situation, but I suppose they are out there. :eek:
 
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Renzey

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pooptarts92 said:
You won't win in the long run using this strategy... In fact the only way it would work is if you had an ENDLESS bankroll and the table limits didn't have an upper limit
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That still won't do it! If you're going to consider limitless limits, then you also must consider that you will eventually run into an endless losing streak, and the recoup never comes. The real point being that there is no edge to this system.
 
QFIT

QFIT

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It should also be noted that if there was such a thing as an infinite amount of money, then money would have no value.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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QFIT said:
It should also be noted that if there was such a thing as an infinite amount of money, then money would have no value.
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There is such a thing as infinate amount of money, when the government just prints more as needed. :( Unforetunately this will lead to money having no value at some point. But this is really a topic for a different catagory and/or site since ZZ no longer resides here. :laugh:
 
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paddywhack

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Good one

bjstud said:
Hey busyb, first off I wish you and all BJ players the best of luck.
I did a post pack in Jan. similar to your playing strat. You'll have to go back and read them, cus I'm not going to reiterate every thing I said back then. But the point being, have a bankroll that can sustain some loses, play very disciplined, use alot of common sense about greed. be patient, you don't have to win it all in one or two sittings, and just remember you can walk away from the table whenever you want.
And the most important thing to remember is that your playing for yourself and no one else. You play till what makes you happy. If it's $100 - $200 a session, then do it. I've had countless players say after I won 4 straight hand and was up $200.00, "man I wish I would have left the table when I was up". And many dearlers mumble as I cash out, "your a smart man".
And for all the members reading this or remember those post, that 5 grand I started with is now over 100 grand. Ya alot a luck, but also "very little greed.
Casinos love greedy players
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Glad this is in the voodoo section, turned $5000 to $100000 in less than four months :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
psyduck

psyduck

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bjstud said:
As I said, you have to read my past post, I started in Aug 09.
Hope you pay more attention at the tables.
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Previously you said you would walk after $200 win. How about loss? What amount of loss would trigger your walk? What has been your biggest loss before you could win $200? I would not believe if you say you never lost.
 
psyduck

psyduck

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bjstud,

It is good that your strategy is working for you.

You stated that you are not greedy by walking away after a $200 win. However, unless you quit for good, you are still greedy if you play again at another time. What do you view as the difference if you continue to play at the same table vs if you play at another table at another time? Don't you think your new session is a continuation of your previous session regardless of where or when your new session takes place? Why do you think your new session will be better than if you continue to play at the same table where you just won $200? Do you also consider how you won $200 such as winning all the way vs climbing back from a $200 hole?
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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psyduck, et al,

You ask: " ... you said you would walk after $200 win. How about loss? What amount of loss would trigger your walk?"

A so-called "stop-loss" or "stop-win" neither enhances nor detracts from your (win/loss) performance.

Discussions on this are usually generated by the 'voodoo' notion that so-called 'money management' can fatten one's wallet.

However,

If your play deteriorates because you have lost (or won) a certain amount, then quitting for the day is certainly beneficial.

A "stop-win" serves a particular purpose in avoiding "heat" from the pit — as one approaches a casino's "choke-point".

 
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paddywhack

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bjstud said:
As I said, you have to read my past post, I started in Aug 09.
Hope you pay more attention at the tables.
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In ten months to double a $5000 bank to $10000, double it again to $20000, double it again to $40000, double it again to $80000, and then gain another 25% - is, quite frankly, a what, 10SD experience, 20SD, higher?

So sorry, then $5000 to $100,000 in ten months, still :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh
 
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21gunsalute

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bjstud said:
I have had loses, betting $50.00 a hand my biggest lose would be $2500.00.
And I'm 100% sure every person reading this will agree, that was because of my own stupidity! To start, I started playing hungry, I was pissed off about some stuff that happened that day, and towards the end I thought I was going to teach the casino alesson. I didn't stay disiplined. But that has never happened again. I've been down say 800, so I take a brake, or maybe I lower my bets, or start playing two hands at the lower betting level, until things start to turn around, then I'll go back to one hand at my normal bet size, play perfect basic stat. and hope for some good splits and double downs. I never play under any time restraint.
Really quick let me say, there's alot I can't explain without writing it out over say 1000 pages. I understand the basics of luck, disipline, money mngmt, and the many other factors that come into play, my main point has been, don't get greedy. You don't have to win huge every time you play.
Here's how I came up with the win $200.00 and walk plan.
I saved up $5000, thought it would be safe to bet 50 ahand, that means I would only have to win 4 hands over the house. (I'm only playing BS, no counting, a little simple watching the cards and paying attention to whats going on that the table while I'm playing.) And playing a loosing game like bj, I'm just trying to keep it safe and simple.
Now here's the numbers, there's 365 days, 52 weeks in a year. I take 2 days a week off (104 days off). and another 2 weeks off for whatevers needed.
Thats a total of 118 days off, 118 from 365 leaves 247 days to make 200 aday, comes out to 49,400 for the year. To keep it real I then took 25% off for loses, still leaves me with alittle over 37,000 for the year.
As my bankroll increases I increase my bet size to 100, then 150, then 200, and so on. You have the numbers, you can do the math.
I did this same plan for about year and a half at home, while saving the 5000. It worked then and it's working for me now.
Let the ripping begin. Best of luck to you all.
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Let me get this straight. Are you saying you win 3 out of 4 times incorporating this "strategy"? If so you should run for president in 2012 because you're either the luckiest person on the planet, the biggest liar, or both. And I can't quite seem to make your numbers work even if you are telling the truth about winning 3 out of 4 times. If you're willing to win only $200 but willing to lose $2500 you've got a very big problem and you aren't going to make any money, muchless the amounts you've boasted about.
 
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