What will you do if people beg for money?

[Canceler]

Sometimes it doesn't pay to be nice.

What will you do if you buddy begs for money?

This doesn’t involve begging, but it does involve a loan. I saw this happen while I was playing poker.

Player A goes broke. His friend, Player B, takes some money out of his pocket and lends it to Player A. Later on, Player B runs out of money. Player A has enough in front of him to repay the loan, but being it’s poker, he’s not allowed to take the money off the table to give it to Player B. At this point, it sucks to be Player B!

 

[pooptarts92]

This doesn’t involve begging, but it does involve a loan. I saw this happen while I was playing poker.

Player A goes broke. His friend, Player B, takes some money out of his pocket and lends it to Player A. Later on, Player B runs out of money. Player A has enough in front of him to repay the loan, but being it’s poker, he’s not allowed to take the money off the table to give it to Player B. At this point, it sucks to be Player B!

Actually one time I went to a casino with my friend and I was playing big... Like 25 minimum but I was uneducated and cocky so I didn't have risk on my mind. Back on topic, my friend asked for 2 separate $50 buy ins, which I gave to him. He ended up winning a bit and paid me back right then, but even if he lost I know he's good for it since he has a rich family and all lol. Basically go with your own judgment in this type of situation, and how much you trust your friend.

 

[dante62]

As far as beggars at a table, my experiences have been pretty limited, and the few times it has happened, the pit took care of it immediately. You have to see it from the casino's point of view. If they are begging chips, they aren't playing, but they are making players feel uncomfortable, which means they should toss them. Think of it this way, if you own a casino and it gets a reputation for having this happen, while a store down the road does not, where do you think good players are going to go? Just makes economic sense to get rid of them, especially if they are known to the staff as a problem.
With friends asking for chips, if it is someone who I know well, and someone I traveled there with, I won't feel bad tossing them a few chips especially if I am up, as long as they don't make a habit of it. But if it is a new acquaintance at a casino or someone I do not see often, not a prayer for me to hand over chips.
And being followed around, it is something you have to be aware of, especially if you are cashing out. It is a legitimate risk to get rolled if someone knows you have a large amount of cash leaving an area, cages are always in view to the public, anyone can just idle by within seeing range of the money transacted (think of all the shady spots in parking garages, alleys, that are usually near a casino when you leave). Have a buddy around when you know you are going to be in possession of a lot of chips or cash, criminals see a lot more risk in trying to hustle/jump two people than someone by themselves, especially helps to be a big guy that looks slightly intimidating, why take the risk as a criminal to getting a beating when there are other marks without the inherent risk.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Some of you have some messed up views on the homeless and beggars.

Sure, some of these people may be lazy and not want to work and beg, but others really are down on their luck or have a mental illness.

If I'm walking by a beggar (happened a lot this week in Vegas and in Detroit) and I don't have money I will straight up tell them I don't have money on me. The credit card revolution probably was not a good thing for beggars.

But in situations when I have a lot of money, especially after a big win in Blackjack, I give them money. I am a well-off college educated 22 year old and they need $100 a lot more than I do. I wouldn't give money on the table to someone asking (and I've never been asked) but on the street if I can help someone out I will.

I was at a concert in downtown Detroit in winter with my brother and on the way out we passed by a homeless guy who was shivering under a blanket. We didn't have any money on us so my brother took off his jacket and gave it to the man. That was the most caring thing I have ever seen.

Telling them to "get a job" or "Mcdonald's is hiring" is really messed up.

 

[aslan]

Some of you have some messed up views on the homeless and beggars.

Sure, some of these people may be lazy and not want to work and beg, but others really are down on their luck or have a mental illness.

If I'm walking by a beggar (happened a lot this week in Vegas and in Detroit) and I don't have money I will straight up tell them I don't have money on me. The credit card revolution probably was not a good thing for beggars.

But in situations when I have a lot of money, especially after a big win in Blackjack, I give them money. I am a well-off college educated 22 year old and they need $100 a lot more than I do. I wouldn't give money on the table to someone asking (and I've never been asked) but on the street if I can help someone out I will.

I was at a concert in downtown Detroit in winter with my brother and on the way out we passed by a homeless guy who was shivering under a blanket. We didn't have any money on us so my brother took off his jacket and gave it to the man. That was the most caring thing I have ever seen.

Telling them to "get a job" or "Mcdonald's is hiring" is really messed up.

And giving a drug addict or alcoholic money is not really messed up? Giving a blanket, jacket, meal, or in unusual cases, money, where no drug or alcohol use is indicated, or money to a social service that works with homeless and indigent persons and families, is fine; but giving money to a druggie for his next purchase of crack may make your conscience feel better, but it will only contribute to his already debilitated condition. Most aggressive panhandlers are either professional beggars or addicts, and one of the main reasons that homeless persons do not avail themselves of legitimate shelters is because drugs and alcohol disqualify them.

It's easy to ignore the real problem, and involvement in it, by tossing money into a cup. It seems that BJInfo members are trying to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. I seldom see so many caring individuals as belong here.

Kudos to your brother.

 

[Machinist]

Hmmmmmm

Some of you have some messed up views on the homeless and beggars.

Sure, some of these people may be lazy and not want to work and beg, but others really are down on their luck or have a mental illness.

If I'm walking by a beggar (happened a lot this week in Vegas and in Detroit) and I don't have money I will straight up tell them I don't have money on me. The credit card revolution probably was not a good thing for beggars.

But in situations when I have a lot of money, especially after a big win in Blackjack, I give them money. I am a well-off college educated 22 year old and they need $100 a lot more than I do. I wouldn't give money on the table to someone asking (and I've never been asked) but on the street if I can help someone out I will.

I was at a concert in downtown Detroit in winter with my brother and on the way out we passed by a homeless guy who was shivering under a blanket. We didn't have any money on us so my brother took off his jacket and gave it to the man. That was the most caring thing I have ever seen.

Telling them to "get a job" or "Mcdonald's is hiring" is really messed up.

At 22 years old you have seen but a small piece of this world... Go live in AC for a month,,,that will change your mind.. Yes there are homeless,,,i have met them and helped them....My parents are involved alot with the homeless, salvation army, etc. So i have seen the scams....
Yes there are people that need help...The vast majority are scammers....How about the "will work for food guys?" Do you ever give them money?? It is extremely rare that i give money to so called homeless.....Only a couple times,,,it was a judgement call on my part...i thought they really needed it.. I guess it is up to all of us and our concience...

Machinist

 

[creeping panther]

Macho

At 22 years old you have seen but a small piece of this world... Go live in AC for a month,,,that will change your mind.. Yes there are homeless,,,i have met them and helped them....My parents are involved alot with the homeless, salvation army, etc. So i have seen the scams....
Yes there are people that need help...The vast majority are scammers....How about the "will work for food guys?" Do you ever give them money?? It is extremely rare that i give money to so called homeless.....Only a couple times,,,it was a judgement call on my part...i thought they really needed it.. I guess it is up to all of us and our concience...

Machinist

Thank you for your posts, very interesting good points being made by you on a continuing basis. So happy to have you here.

CP

 

[riggler]

Where I play, signs are posted that if you request security to accompany you to your vehicle all you have to do is ask.

Is that just a regional thing?

 

[Sucker]

This is a service that's provided by EVERY casino. Remember to tip him! Security guards are people, too. At least SOME of them are.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Some of you have some messed up views on the homeless and beggars.

Sure, some of these people may be lazy and not want to work and beg, but others really are down on their luck or have a mental illness.

If I'm walking by a beggar (happened a lot this week in Vegas and in Detroit) and I don't have money I will straight up tell them I don't have money on me. The credit card revolution probably was not a good thing for beggars.

But in situations when I have a lot of money, especially after a big win in Blackjack, I give them money. I am a well-off college educated 22 year old and they need $100 a lot more than I do. I wouldn't give money on the table to someone asking (and I've never been asked) but on the street if I can help someone out I will.

I was at a concert in downtown Detroit in winter with my brother and on the way out we passed by a homeless guy who was shivering under a blanket. We didn't have any money on us so my brother took off his jacket and gave it to the man. That was the most caring thing I have ever seen.

Telling them to "get a job" or "Mcdonald's is hiring" is really messed up.

Your position is understandable, given your perspective.

When I was 22, I ate pasta every night and dug tires for my car out of the dumpster at Sears, it was that important for me to be able to get to work and school. Thus my perspective is different. When I see a beggar, I know that every day he spends on the street reduces his quantity and quality of life. Giving him money to go buy his booze or his dope or whatever the hell he is into increases his incentive to remain on the street, thus, as I see it, as I give him money, I am killing him.

So what I want him to do is walk into his house of worship or shelter, say "I'm done with this. Please clean me up." then get his shower and change of clothes and walk into McDonald's or wherever for his job. Believe me, I would spend more than $100 on a person to remedy this kind of problem. But on rational terms, not on his terms, because as observed from his condition, his terms suck. The choices he has made suck. Giving him money allow him to continue to make his sucky choices.

If you saw this same person at the BJ table playing like an idiot, would you give him some of your chips?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

This is a service that's provided by EVERY casino. Remember to tip him! Security guards are people, too. At least SOME of them are.

In the places I've been in, security personnel are not allowed to accept tips.

 

[Sucker]

In the places I've been in, security personnel are not allowed to accept tips.

I toke them all the time & have never had one NOT accept it. I once even toked one 10 bucks as he was escorting me off the property after a barring.

 

[aupokies]

excess money

Once, I may share my money, but after that, no more

 

[21forme]

I toke them all the time & have never had one NOT accept it. I once even toked one 10 bucks as he was escorting me off the property after a barring.

Please explain.

 

[Sucker]

In the more aggressive barrings, when you're read the trespass act, they assign a security guard to escort you off of the premises to make sure you leave (and to find out what kind of car you're driving, who's waiting in or near your car,etc.,etc.) This particular gentleman was very courteous and extremely apologetic over that part of his job, so I gave him my usual "security escort" toke. I must say, the surprised look in his eyes was well worth the ten bucks.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

In the more aggressive barrings, when you're read the trespass act, they assign a security guard to escort you off of the premises to make sure you leave (and to find out what kind of car you're driving, who's waiting in or near your car,etc.,etc.) This particular gentleman was very courteous and extremely apologetic over that part of his job, so I gave him my usual "security escort" toke. I must say, the surprised look in his eyes was well worth the ten bucks.

My barrings tend to involve multiple security guards, so it would cost too much to toke them. Or maybe for fun I could offer a group of guards one $100 bill and watch them kill each other over it.

In what was probably my worst barring, a group of guards bumped me off the premises with their chests. It was pretty funny in retrospect, but if I had put my shoulder down into one of them and knocked him down they would have sworn on a stack of Bibles I attacked them. A month after that their casino was upside down, about a quarter mile inland from its previous location. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

 

[SystemsTrader]

A month after that their casino was upside down, about a quarter mile inland from its previous location. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Oh Automonkey:devil:

Anyway, if someone begs for money just point them to the ATM. I know they have no money in their account but they usually get the picture.

 

[Sucker]

A month after that their casino was upside down, about a quarter mile inland from its previous location. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

And all this time I've been told that it was GEORGE BUSH who caused Katrina! :grin: :grin:

 

[aslan]

And all this time I've been told that it was GEORGE BUSH who caused Katrina! :grin: :grin:

When the newspapers reported that Katrina would strike by A.M., they were not referring to the morning as most people thought! :yikes:

 

[ihate17]

People you really know vs people who want to take you

I have a follow-up question for you guys. What will you do if you buddy begs for money?

Earlier today at the Rivers casino, I saw this. A young man at his early 20's came to my table without chips. It was 6 AM so he found an empty seat. And apparently he knows another young man who was playing. After coaching his friends a few hands, he told his friend better to play 2 hands to have a better chance of winning. He hustled $10 from his friend and quickly lost it. ($10 is table minimal.) Although he kept high-fiving and cheerleading his friend, he no longer can "borrow" chips from his friend. But he still sat at our table for another 20 minutes until another player came and requested his seat. To me it is quite annoying since he is over-enthusiastic and he was not playing!

Based on the lukewarm reaction from his buddy the whole time, he might be just someone he met at the casino. But assuming it is really his buddy in real life, will you lend your friend money to keep playing after he lost all his money?

There are people who I will loan money to in a casino. They are people who I have complete trust in, family members, long term friends and people I do business with. All of whom I know have plenty of money.
More times than I care to remember, people unknown to me or people who I might have played at a table with before will suddenly get friendly with me when I am winning. This is often followed by the request for a short term loan which I always turn down flatly. Some I just tell that I do not really know them well and in the past any money I have "loaned out" in a casino under these circumstances has just became a gift, so I just never loan money.