which are underdog hands ?

[beyondbj]

player's card vs dealer's card



double is allowed , which of the following spilt hands player are in underdog ??


2 vs 2-7

3 vs 2-7

4 vs 5-6

6 vs 2-6

7 vs 2-6

8 vs 2-9

9 vs 2-8

 

[Renzey]

player's card vs dealer's card



double is allowed , which of the following spilt hands player are in underdog ??

2 vs 2-7
3 vs 2-7
4 vs 5-6
6 vs 2-6
7 vs 2-6
8 vs 2-9
9 vs 2-8

In multi-deck with DAS, the player is an underdog on the following proper splits:
2/2 vs. 2, 3 or 7
3/3 vs. 2, 3 or 7
6/6 vs. 2, 3 or 4
7/7 vs. 2, 3 or 7
8/8 vs. 8, 9, 10 or Ace
9/9 vs. 9 (note: 9/9 vs. 7 should not be split, but is a favorite if done).

The rest are outright money favorites.

 

[beyondbj]

thanks , i bought your book some years before

but i dont know where i put it now

Do u have any update to cut the edge of CSM blackjack ??

 

[QFIT]

In multi-deck with DAS, the player is an underdog on the following proper splits:
2/2 vs. 2, 3 or 7
3/3 vs. 2, 3 or 7
6/6 vs. 2, 3 or 4
7/7 vs. 2, 3 or 7
8/8 vs. 8, 9, 10 or Ace
9/9 vs. 9 (note: 9/9 vs. 7 should not be split, but is a favorite if done).

The rest are outright money favorites.

A couple nits: Assuming Resplit, 22v7 and 66v4 are +EV.

 

[beyondbj]

A couple nits: Assuming Resplit, 22v7 and 66v4 are +EV.

so if respilt allowed , the back player should also follow to spilt for the above two hand ?

 

[EasyRhino]

9/9 vs. 9 (note: 9/9 vs. 7 should not be split, but is a favorite if done).

Took me a while to figure this, does this mean that splitting is +EV, but holding is MORE +EV?

 

[bj bob]

Took me a while to figure this, does this mean that splitting is +EV, but holding is MORE +EV?

Sounds about right. It's just like having an eleven vs. 6. You're the favorite to win that hand, just a bigger win if you DD.

 

[Renzey]

A couple nits: Assuming Resplit, 22v7 and 66v4 are +EV.

Didn't realize that Norm. Thanks! BTW, is there somewhere I can acquire EV tables that take re-splitting into account?

 

[Sonny]

Also, the player should split everything except 4,4 and 5,5 against any dealer upcard (and the 4,4 vs. 5&6).

-Sonny-

 

[beyondbj]

Also, the player should split everything except 4,4 and 5,5 against any dealer upcard (and the 4,4 vs. 5&6).

-Sonny-

what u mean 4 4 vs 5 and 6 also should not spilt for the origin player ?

 

[beyondbj]

what u mean 4 4 vs 5 and 6 also should not spilt for the origin player ?do u mean the back player should not spilt but the original should spilt it ?

 

[beyondbj]

and 8 8 vs 8

if player have chance to double it for getting a 2 or 3

its still - EV ?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

beyondbj- would the attached file happen to contain the wheel you are trying to reinvent?

 

[QFIT]

Didn't realize that Norm. Thanks! BTW, is there somewhere I can acquire EV tables that take re-splitting into account?

Blackjack Attack 3rd edition paperback version. Appendix A.

 

[KObold]

beyondbj- would the attached file happen to contain the wheel you are trying to reinvent?

Nice chart, especially the conditional defensive splits! Have you calculated that with BJA 3?

 

[zengrifter]

so if respilt allowed , the back player should also follow to spilt for the above two hand ?

If you are backlining partner splits then the strategy changes substantially. See strategy zip above. zg

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Nice chart, especially the conditional defensive splits! Have you calculated that with BJA 3?

No I do everything with a mix of CVData outputs and my own spreadsheets and programs.

 

[beyondbj]

hi monkey , thanks for your chart

could u pls explan the conditional defensive spilts

u said the back bet should be larger than the front around 5-15%

so do u only count the orignal bet as front bet or including the other spiltting bet?

for example , if i bet 1US in the front , and 2 US at the back

then i spilt a 6 6 vs dealer 10 , then i put 1us more to spilt it , so do u count it as worth to do this spillting ?

and also is the back bet much larger than the original will get more edge ?
how to caculate how much house edge can be cut by this method (considering both front and back bet is my money )

 

[blackjack avenger]

When I Play Most Hands Are Underdog

I find the pat 20 hands are extreme underdogs when I play:joker::whip:
:laugh:

 

[beyondbj]

hi monkey , thanks for your chart

could u pls explan the conditional defensive spilts

u said the back bet should be larger than the front around 5-15%

so do u only count the orignal bet as front bet or including the other spiltting bet?

for example , if i bet 1US in the front , and 2 US at the back

then i spilt a 6 6 vs dealer 10 , then i put 1us more to spilt it , so do u count it as worth to do this spillting ?

and also is the back bet much larger than the original will get more edge ?
how to caculate how much house edge can be cut by this method (considering both front and back bet is my money )

Automatic Monkey, could u pls answer my pm ?thanks