Why does this seem to happen so often??

[vipmn]

Im playing at my local store which offers a good game with excellent penetration, counting properly, using the proper indexes,good cover, betting the right spread and getting my head handed to me, while the ploppy at first base takes a $1000 and runs it up to $18,000 right before my eyes! Maddening.
Just maddening.

 

[creeping panther]

Vip

Im playing at my local store which offers a good game with excellent penetration, counting properly, using the proper indexes,good cover, betting the right spread and getting my head handed to me, while the ploppy at first base takes a $1000 and runs it up to $18,000 right before my eyes! Maddening.
Just maddening.

These things happen, pure luck on the part of the ploppy.

I do understand your frustration, and yes, it is "maddening"

Soon you will be receiving the cards the ploppy was getting, the problem is he may have been betting big in negative counts, and winning, when you would be betting minimum, and winning then is always a problem

CP

 

[tthree]

Im playing at my local store which offers a good game with excellent penetration, counting properly, using the proper indexes,good cover, betting the right spread and getting my head handed to me, while the ploppy at first base takes a $1000 and runs it up to $18,000 right before my eyes! Maddening.
Just maddening.

Who are you calling a ploppy? I might take offense.:joker:

 

[vipmn]

It is truly amazing how during deep negative counts the ploppy throws out $500 and gets what seems to be the only 2 tens left in the shoe and is high fiving the table while all i can do is watch having gotten out during the negative count. Then during good positive counts we both push out $500 bets and he gets the snapper and fist pumps and I get another friggin stiff. Sometimes it seems like an out of body experience, sort of like you can not possibly believe what you are seeing and this can't be happening. Just gotta keep on putting the bets out but the frustration level runs high. :grin:

 

[fwb]

Take a deck of cards and remove enough cards to get a +20 TC. You'll see that the advantage is still hardly visible and these situations won't appear as shocking. I think all new players should do this before starting to count, yet I have yet to see it in a book.

 

[Abalam619]

I know what you mean man, my cousin was pissing me off the other day because I was telling him that he was playing a hand wrong, and that he shouldn't raise his bets when the counts so negative, but he seemed to have won whenever it was negative and hitting on hands he shouldn't hit, and standing on hands he shouldn't have stood on. But the thing is, he was WINNING. At the end he ends up winning big and giving me that look like "What do you know.." But really though...what do I know right..

 

[rondoman]

Take a deck of cards and remove enough cards to get a +20 TC. You'll see that the advantage is still hardly visible and these situations won't appear as shocking. I think all new players should do this before starting to count, yet I have yet to see it in a book.

Wow, that is awesome advice!!!

Thanks.

 

[bigplayer]

Im playing at my local store which offers a good game with excellent penetration, counting properly, using the proper indexes,good cover, betting the right spread and getting my head handed to me, while the ploppy at first base takes a $1000 and runs it up to $18,000 right before my eyes! Maddening.
Just maddening.

Happens for counters too. When the count goes up to require max bets early in the shoe it usually means max bets all the way through to the end. When you get lots of blackjacks, splits, and doubles and win all of them all the way through the shoe betting max you can crush the casino.

Once I won $34,000 on a single shoe and then on the very next shoe lost back $28,000 (betting one hand of $3000 or two hands of $2000)

 

[vipmn]

saw it again today. 3 plops whacked them for $16K, 9K and 12K. Better to be LUCKY then smart.:grin:

 

[steiner]

I share your pain man. Whenever I go to the casino and bring a friend (who is a semi-ploppy, i.e. knows some basic strategy moves), it's mostly him who's winning big. He's splitting tens no matter the count and no matter the dealer's face-up card (except 10 and ace), and guess what- he always gets a ten and/or an ace. Then he starts complaining about how BS isn't always right and so on. He is the typical "wait for the run" player. Once he's got the run, he's betting crazy, never busting a stiff hand. To be honest, I've never seen a luckier person in my life. Last time we went to the casino, I told him he should play the lottery, he would probably win anyway lol. :laugh:

 

[yesiamred]

saw it again today. 3 plops whacked them for $16K, 9K and 12K. Better to be LUCKY then smart.:grin:

I just think...why can't this fricken be me...trained long and hard to be a good advantage player but the idiots sitting next to me take the money! I just don't get it

 

[paddywhack]

I just think...why can't this fricken be me...trained long and hard to be a good advantage player but the idiots sitting next to me take the money! I just don't get it

Yep. You gotta love it when you can't lose betting table min but as soon as the count soars and the max bets hit the felt, the stiffs are constantly at your spot and the rest of the table is covered in paint......the pain, the pain.....

 

[vipmn]

Seems like we all have a friend like that. Lucky SOB. And when I see it happen I just start laughing out loud because it really shouldn't happen that way but luck is strange that way. Plus he plays the lucky ladies sidebet during really negative counts and I know there are only 2 Queen of hearts left and he nails it. Almost makes you want to just go with the sacred "Flow of the cards". Almost.:cry:

 

[Gamblor]

Its especially annoying when you ST, tracking a bunch of high cards through an arduous shuffle, and the high cards hit everyone else at the table except you. ST'ing is hard work, seems especially like a waste of all your hard work.

Also, still annoyed over this incident, was heads up with the dealer, decently high count. Some idiot plops down and gets 3 BJs in a row while I catch a face full of stiffs. The stupid happy look on his, wanted to choke him right there

 

[gothic]

heh

There the one side of the coin where the damn ploppy bets high on negative counts, winning and winning and where you are losing your big bets; the other part that gets me is the time where my blackjacks hit on minimum bets. This one ploppy and I (nice dude, but we're card counters so we must be snide about it ) would take turns becoming "blackjack king" at the table each time one of us got one. One time I accidently let out a "motherf**k- umm uhh ohh cool, a blackjack!" The others at the table stared at me a little as did the dealer, but I think I come off as too out there for anyone to try and figure me out :laugh:.

 

[jaygruden]

There the one side of the coin where the damn ploppy bets high on negative counts, winning and winning and where you are losing your big bets; the other part that gets me is the time where my blackjacks hit on minimum bets. This one ploppy and I (nice dude, but we're card counters so we must be snide about it ) would take turns becoming "blackjack king" at the table each time one of us got one. One time I accidently let out a "motherf**k- umm uhh ohh cool, a blackjack!" The others at the table stared at me a little as did the dealer, but I think I come off as too out there for anyone to try and figure me out :laugh:.

Yes.....I catch myself shaking my head in disbelief when I am catching a lot of BJ's during negative counts. Once someone said to me "why are you unhappy with a BJ?".......I realized what I was doing and said...."It just seems that everytime I drop my bet, that's when I get a BJ. When I had $300 out there I was catching stiffs." I find it hard to disguise frustration when I get cards contrary to the count either with the good or the bad. Need to work on this leak.

 

[tribute]

Im playing at my local store which offers a good game with excellent penetration, counting properly, using the proper indexes,good cover, betting the right spread and getting my head handed to me, while the ploppy at first base takes a $1000 and runs it up to $18,000 right before my eyes! Maddening.
Just maddening.

My question is: Does this store tolerate winning to that extent, regardless of whether player is AP or not? Any pit eyebrows raised at all?

 

[blackjack avenger]

human nature

We remember the civilians who win big because its unusual. We ignore the civilians who lose because that's normal.

The same thing happens when we have big wins and get arrogant, but are shocked by big losses.

Every time we enter a casino we should know the 3 SD range of what we face and not be surprised by outcomes. If one plays 2 hands in the short run the variance is even higher.

Probably the best way to defend against highs & lows is to bet conservatively.

 

[vipmn]

My question is: Does this store tolerate winning to that extent, regardless of whether player is AP or not? Any pit eyebrows raised at all?

They could care less. they are more interested in getting your players card than anything else. It is a GREAT place to play. Great PA rules, easy, easy comps, and lack of attention to AP's.

 

[Midnght Cow]

Yes.....I catch myself shaking my head in disbelief when I am catching a lot of BJ's during negative counts. Once someone said to me "why are you unhappy with a BJ?".......I realized what I was doing and said...."It just seems that everytime I drop my bet, that's when I get a BJ. When I had $300 out there I was catching stiffs."

I do the exact same thing....shake my head at 20's and BJs in neg counts with min bets out. Wish I didn't, but no one has called me on it, although maybe some smart pit caught it. Would likely be ready to respond with a reply similar to yours.

It's really the flipside of catching a few 20's and a BJ, but not reacting much at all because it was a crazy-high count and you expected those good hands to some extent. (Although, like some others in this thread, my bigger bets are usually an indication that the rest of the table is about to catch some nice hands.)