"Wonging"
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Ten minimums at borgata and i play the 10 min 6 deckers at trop-of course i can play the 15 mins too since im backounting. I will take a 1.5 hour "break" and 'play all' with the drooling ploppies on their 5$ table (spread 1-15) just too relax. Going to harrahs chester tomorrow to try them- if i can find the same scenerio with surrender I will be going there much more often. Parx casino too-but i am unsure whether they allow surrender yet. However I have been advised that the penetration should be telling me where to play so i have this in mind now over anything else.
Yes, there is a basement where you can obtain fast food, Philly Steak and Cheese subs, Italian sandwiches, dishes and pizza, Chinese, Japanese, FatBurger, Salads, Ice Cream and more. There is also the Amphora, in a basement in another area of the Borgata, which is a private buffet for black card holders only. All the food you can eat and liquor, too, for a small fee (can't remember whether it is $10 or $20). The regular buffet upstairs is about $30 for dinner.
Thanks for that. I sometimes take a guest, which is where I must have gotten the $20 figure. Of course, now that I don't frequent AC so much they have taken away my black card status. :cry: Oh, well, it was a transfer from the Taj Mahal anyway. I made sure last trip to spend ALL my remaining comps, two for the $30 buffet and a bottle of perfume ($50) plus my other food, internet, and room fees. Now I have no reason to ever return if that's the way they want it (as evidenced by their deteriorating games).
camo = wong more
I play longer session than many. I probably also use more cammo than many.
- The longer sessions is obviously an EV +.
- The more cammo is obviously an EV -
All the input up here is great. One person I read before said it best. "the best counter is the the one that looks JUST like a ploppy, but they are almost always winning"
Many wong-in, wong-out aspects can be correlated to ploppy behavior.
If the count goes from TC 1 to TC and I want to switch from 1 to 2 hands. I might not do it always like clockwork on the dot. (many times I will)
- I like to look for a hand in which EVERYONE (or most people lost)...then I will announce that I am "changing the flow".
The ploppies here in Asia (Korea) are huge flow junkies. It's comical inside, when you see a TC-8 shoe near it's end and all the ploppies do NOT want a new player to end, b.c the "flow is good"...um yea the flow is good b/c you used up all the high cards dummy! lol At any rate, i digrress..
TC goes from 1 to 2, dealer gets a blackjack-----> I am going to CHANGE this flow, and take the flow away from the dealer, you tell your "teammates". As you switch from 1 to 2 hands.
TC goes from 0 to -2, dealer wins, everyone loses----> I am going to NOT play a few rounds, so I can hope to alter the flow, and help us out
It's all conformational bias.
Just think (or make yourself almost seem to believe) that wonging is directly related to what these people call "flow".
You will likely get less heat from the casino (b/c you look like a flow believing idiot). ANd you are less likely to encounter that whistle blower mad ploppy.
And when everytime you see to make a hand change from 0 to 1 to 2, it seems to NOT help out the "team", and let's say you have a disgrunted player to your left and to your right....then OH WELL. Just b/c the "take one for the team" routine did not work, (however, it actually usually does very well). I just simply say "I am a gambler, and I feel a flow, and I always try to keep my flow, so that the dealer is always off guard).
This sounds about as illogical, and moronic as possible, yet that's what we want to exude.
Most peoples (ploppies) memories are VERY short. No one thinks about the last 18 hands, they just think about that last 1 hand.
So for wonging out, I may win 7 hands in a row. I just never wong out after a win. (gamblers mentality always lets it ride....) So i make a tiny sacrifice to EV, and when the count goes neg...i just decide the first LOSING hand I leave. I may go on and win 8 hands in a row, but when that 9th one comes and i lose, I then sign and roll my eyes in frustration and say something about terrible luck and walk away. No one was paying attention to your last 9 hands, they were paying attention to their own anyhow.
Ill say things such as "how is the flow here" "hows the table been flowing, etc etc". Well im here to WONG...(cough) i mean improve the flow.
I find its much more pleasant sounding (well it appears to be) to the reaction of the pit crew.
I love being questioned on Index plays. It offers a great opportunity to let EVERYONE KNOW...that "I don't play by the book". I play on "hunches". Yet another perfect ploppy mask. Since the 12 v 4 and 16 v 0 are going to be shifting changes every shoe. When the soft 19 comes up against the 5, with the monster TC +9 count, its something like "I am going home UP, or going home broke!" with the maniac look of an obsessed ploppy in my eyes.
You must embrace the ploppy and study him, and appear just like him.
There are only 2 types of cover:
- cover which you sacrifice the optimal bet to reduce heat
- cover which has no relation to the bet, as has to do with personality, behavior, appearance, etc.
The more we can achieve of the later, the less we hopefully need of the prior.
aplogize to the pro's who this is all common sence to, some of this was typed out as self re-inforcement as well.... thanks
I play longer session than many. I probably also use more cammo than many.
- The longer sessions is obviously an EV +.
- The more cammo is obviously an EV -
All the input up here is great. One person I read before said it best. "the best counter is the the one that looks JUST like a ploppy, but they are almost always winning"
Many wong-in, wong-out aspects can be correlated to ploppy behavior.
If the count goes from TC 1 to TC and I want to switch from 1 to 2 hands. I might not do it always like clockwork on the dot. (many times I will)
- I like to look for a hand in which EVERYONE (or most people lost)...then I will announce that I am "changing the flow".
The ploppies here in Asia (Korea) are huge flow junkies. It's comical inside, when you see a TC-8 shoe near it's end and all the ploppies do NOT want a new player to end, b.c the "flow is good"...um yea the flow is good b/c you used up all the high cards dummy! lol At any rate, i digrress..
TC goes from 1 to 2, dealer gets a blackjack-----> I am going to CHANGE this flow, and take the flow away from the dealer, you tell your "teammates". As you switch from 1 to 2 hands.
TC goes from 0 to -2, dealer wins, everyone loses----> I am going to NOT play a few rounds, so I can hope to alter the flow, and help us out
It's all conformational bias.
Just think (or make yourself almost seem to believe) that wonging is directly related to what these people call "flow".
You will likely get less heat from the casino (b/c you look like a flow believing idiot). ANd you are less likely to encounter that whistle blower mad ploppy.
And when everytime you see to make a hand change from 0 to 1 to 2, it seems to NOT help out the "team", and let's say you have a disgrunted player to your left and to your right....then OH WELL. Just b/c the "take one for the team" routine did not work, (however, it actually usually does very well). I just simply say "I am a gambler, and I feel a flow, and I always try to keep my flow, so that the dealer is always off guard).
This sounds about as illogical, and moronic as possible, yet that's what we want to exude.
Most peoples (ploppies) memories are VERY short. No one thinks about the last 18 hands, they just think about that last 1 hand.
So for wonging out, I may win 7 hands in a row. I just never wong out after a win. (gamblers mentality always lets it ride....) So i make a tiny sacrifice to EV, and when the count goes neg...i just decide the first LOSING hand I leave. I may go on and win 8 hands in a row, but when that 9th one comes and i lose, I then sign and roll my eyes in frustration and say something about terrible luck and walk away. No one was paying attention to your last 9 hands, they were paying attention to their own anyhow.
Ill say things such as "how is the flow here" "hows the table been flowing, etc etc". Well im here to WONG...(cough) i mean improve the flow.
I find its much more pleasant sounding (well it appears to be) to the reaction of the pit crew.
I love being questioned on Index plays. It offers a great opportunity to let EVERYONE KNOW...that "I don't play by the book". I play on "hunches". Yet another perfect ploppy mask. Since the 12 v 4 and 16 v 0 are going to be shifting changes every shoe. When the soft 19 comes up against the 5, with the monster TC +9 count, its something like "I am going home UP, or going home broke!" with the maniac look of an obsessed ploppy in my eyes.
You must embrace the ploppy and study him, and appear just like him.
There are only 2 types of cover:
- cover which you sacrifice the optimal bet to reduce heat
- cover which has no relation to the bet, as has to do with personality, behavior, appearance, etc.
The more we can achieve of the later, the less we hopefully need of the prior.
aplogize to the pro's who this is all common sence to, some of this was typed out as self re-inforcement as well.... thanks
The spreading of 0-1-2 hands is something I have encounted that Ploppy's are not comfortable with. The issue at hand is not their comfort. I have had a ploppy (a few times) complain to a pit boss that my changing of hands was
"altering the flow". Of course the pit person dismissed them. However, its added potential heat none the less.
As becoming the table "flow director", who self sacrifices himself to alter the flow, this is never a concern. I have been almost amazed as how well ploppies buy this. If i go from 1 to 2 hands, and the dealer gets a blackjack. I say "wow, i even put up more money to change her, wow...she is strong" and if it's a negigible call where it really does not matter if i play 1 or 2 hands, I will appear clueless and ASK a ploppy what he thinks the best is for the "flow".
The spreads on the bet itself is obviously a total seperate topic.
However if there is an obvious appearance that you have a strong belief in "flow", that in itself can make a great first impression on any pit member.
When the whole time your flow, is truly wonging.
This covers the 0-1-2 hand changeroo.
In terms of the actual BET change, that's where you have to probe and feel around for whats ok and what becomes attention.
The best thing is, when the ploppys do NOT think your "just like them, hence providing great cover"...they then instead think your a moron and LEAVE the table all for you.
"altering the flow". Of course the pit person dismissed them. However, its added potential heat none the less.
As becoming the table "flow director", who self sacrifices himself to alter the flow, this is never a concern. I have been almost amazed as how well ploppies buy this. If i go from 1 to 2 hands, and the dealer gets a blackjack. I say "wow, i even put up more money to change her, wow...she is strong" and if it's a negigible call where it really does not matter if i play 1 or 2 hands, I will appear clueless and ASK a ploppy what he thinks the best is for the "flow".
The spreads on the bet itself is obviously a total seperate topic.
However if there is an obvious appearance that you have a strong belief in "flow", that in itself can make a great first impression on any pit member.
When the whole time your flow, is truly wonging.
This covers the 0-1-2 hand changeroo.
In terms of the actual BET change, that's where you have to probe and feel around for whats ok and what becomes attention.
The best thing is, when the ploppys do NOT think your "just like them, hence providing great cover"...they then instead think your a moron and LEAVE the table all for you.
But unless you're playing a very high stakes game, they will probably not be looking at you unless the pit has first called attention to you and asked for an evaluation. An act that convinces the pit that you are just another ploppy will not be calling for surveillance. Yes, you could be unlucky and attract eye attention on a slow day with nothing else to do, and after the fact your large win may result in a review of the film. Even at their very low pay, some eyes are gung ho and some want to make a reputation for themselves. So, yes and no. But mostly, without any sign of heat, the act seems like a good idea for table management and to allay the suspicions of pit crews. As always, different strokes for different folks.
bad borgy
Ya the Borgy ruffled my feathers a few years back- stuck me in the basement but didn't offer me any sausage sandwiches. Rode my motorcylce down so I hadda backpack. Started backcountin and had my bag on a slot machine seat for a few minutes (bad idea). Someone swept it up and it was wisked to security where the Secret agents of the elite Borgota infantry personell squadron searched its contents immediately presumably for a detonation device or a basic strategy card. Of course they found neither. What they did come across was a brand spankin new expensive satchel of bubbly dank kush nugs I had barely sampled. Well the addition of my KO charts and bet ramp cheatsheets was enough to assure them I probably wasn't doing anybody there any good at all. Except myself. And they didn't like me anymore. The head corporal was actually pretty nice. He barks out- what is this? is this yours? I respond - of course it is- why do you have it?
Well he liked my honesty and comended me for it. Decided not to call state police and evicted me. ahh good times.
Ya the Borgy ruffled my feathers a few years back- stuck me in the basement but didn't offer me any sausage sandwiches. Rode my motorcylce down so I hadda backpack. Started backcountin and had my bag on a slot machine seat for a few minutes (bad idea). Someone swept it up and it was wisked to security where the Secret agents of the elite Borgota infantry personell squadron searched its contents immediately presumably for a detonation device or a basic strategy card. Of course they found neither. What they did come across was a brand spankin new expensive satchel of bubbly dank kush nugs I had barely sampled. Well the addition of my KO charts and bet ramp cheatsheets was enough to assure them I probably wasn't doing anybody there any good at all. Except myself. And they didn't like me anymore. The head corporal was actually pretty nice. He barks out- what is this? is this yours? I respond - of course it is- why do you have it?
Well he liked my honesty and comended me for it. Decided not to call state police and evicted me. ahh good times.
As I have always contended, the Borgata is a first class "joint." But of late, they have evolved into the typical set of AC games. Probably has something to do with the removal of MGM Resorts from the management team. Does anyone think that Boyd Gaming games are anything to get excited about (ref: Sam's Town, Orleans, Gold Coast, Sun Coast, etc. where they fill the niche* between playable and unplayable)? IMHO, anyway. :eyepatch: :whip:
PS--The niche of sometimes playable, barely playable, and hardly playable at all)
PS--The niche of sometimes playable, barely playable, and hardly playable at all)