Worked by the dealer

forwhat77

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#1
I wonder how many of you play pitch games, and when you do how often you pay attention to the way the dealer is dealing the cards? I have been playing them frequently, and find that you must beware of the card mechanics that still exists!! Luckily, I have realized the situation before any max bets have ever come out:eyepatch:
 
#2
card mechanic

My dad was playing a pitch game and was losing every hand. He put a tip out for dealer and they both won. He decided that it worked at breaking the loss streak so he put out another and they won again. He jokes about how they could make a lot money together. The dealer whispered to him that they better hurry because his shift was over in 15 minutes. Fifteen minutes later he cashed out $45,000. He only played shoe games after that.
 

forwhat77

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#6
I have seen and documented dealers who peak, deal seconds, shuffle all highs and lows together while dealing front to back, giving the infamous snapping sound! you name it. Also a few who are sloppy and you know the rest. Of course I have observed more than played mainly in Vegas for the last year and a half.
 

forwhat77

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#7
tthree said:
My dad was playing a pitch game and was losing every hand. He put a tip out for dealer and they both won. He decided that it worked at breaking the loss streak so he put out another and they won again. He jokes about how they could make a lot money together. The dealer whispered to him that they better hurry because his shift was over in 15 minutes. Fifteen minutes later he cashed out $45,000. He only played shoe games after that.
HeHe,
Interesting, have tried tipping with minimum out to see what happens but none have ever bit. I usually color up and leave at the shuffle once realized. It has happened a more than normal amount of the time that I have played at a few casinos under the same property ownership as of lately.
 

blackjackomaha

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#8
Since I'm still "fairly" new to being able to adequately bankroll my play at levels that support decent DD games in my area, would a fellow AP PM me regarding some techniques a dealer might use to cheat you in a pitch game?
 

shadroch

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#9
blackjackomaha said:
Since I'm still "fairly" new to being able to adequately bankroll my play at levels that support decent DD games in my area, would a fellow AP PM me regarding some techniques a dealer might use to cheat you in a pitch game?
You'd be better off reading about them in some books. Almost every serious book on BJ will cover the potential s of dealer cheating.
 

Sucker

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#10
blackjackomaha said:
Since I'm still "fairly" new to being able to adequately bankroll my play at levels that support decent DD games in my area, would a fellow AP PM me regarding some techniques a dealer might use to cheat you in a pitch game?
Don't worry about it.
It's POSSIBLE that you MIGHT be cheated in certain Indian casinos. The chance of someone being cheated in any other casino is virtually non-existent. For the purpose of a blackjack discussion it's something that isn't even necessary to consider. It's just not going to happen to you. And I won't even dignify this thread any further by repeating the common-sense reasons WHY they won't cheat you.

The report given by the OP is almost certainly nothing more than "sour grapes". For one thing, a more experienced AP would know better than to present his case as though card mechanics are anything but extremely rare. :rolleyes:
 

RJT

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#11
Sucker said:
The report given by the OP is almost certainly nothing more than "sour grapes". For one thing, a more experienced AP would know better than to present his case as though card mechanics are anything but extremely rare. :rolleyes:
Well said!

RJT.
 

Dyepaintball12

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#12
tthree said:
My dad was playing a pitch game and was losing every hand. He put a tip out for dealer and they both won. He decided that it worked at breaking the loss streak so he put out another and they won again. He jokes about how they could make a lot money together. The dealer whispered to him that they better hurry because his shift was over in 15 minutes. Fifteen minutes later he cashed out $45,000. He only played shoe games after that.
Would this be illegal? I mean I'm sure as soon as they started talking about it was then collusion, but what if he kept his mouth shut and kept tipping and kept winning?

If the dealer got busted, would the player?
 

Severity8

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#13
I would think they would only use the video in his case and the corralation alone of no tip lose, tip win would be enough to confirm collusion voluntary or otherwise.
 

forwhat77

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#14
:laugh:

I don't know where you are from, or what area you play; and I have no reason to lie or make up stories. I am only giving a warning to those for whom it applies. All I am stating is to observe all circumstances when it comes to dancing with the devil, especially in pitch. Just because laws or in affect to supposedly protect us, the casinos have been playing this game for a lot longer than all of us have. When they feel you are a threat, there are ways to beat those who know enough to beat the game, but not enough to know when they are being taken for their socks.
Most wanna-be ap's focus on counting the cards and have no idea how to look out for hole card opportunities, flashers, trackable shuffles, and all other techniques of gaining an advantage in this game we play. Much less the fact that the casino operators are a lot slicker than us.
Oh well just put it in the Voodoo section....
 
#15
Dyepaintball12 said:
Would this be illegal? I mean I'm sure as soon as they started talking about it was then collusion, but what if he kept his mouth shut and kept tipping and kept winning?

If the dealer got busted, would the player?
Yes, it would be considered illegal if they could prove the dealer was cheating (they would have to be for no tip lose/tip win) and yes it would be considered collusion if the player kept tipping and the dealer cheated for the win. But they would definately have to rule out coincidence.

Just like at any joint that the dealers would go for their own, a wide variety of hustling, cheating and collusion would take place. but thats another story...And to respond to the rest of the thread...There are mechanics and coolers out there, But they are rare.
 
#16
Amazing

forwhat77 said:
:laugh:

I don't know where you are from, or what area you play; and I have no reason to lie or make up stories. I am only giving a warning to those for whom it applies. All I am stating is to observe all circumstances when it comes to dancing with the devil, especially in pitch. Just because laws or in affect to supposedly protect us, the casinos have been playing this game for a lot longer than all of us have. When they feel you are a threat, there are ways to beat those who know enough to beat the game, but not enough to know when they are being taken for their socks.
Most wanna-be ap's focus on counting the cards and have no idea how to look out for hole card opportunities, flashers, trackable shuffles, and all other techniques of gaining an advantage in this game we play. Much less the fact that the casino operators are a lot slicker than us.
Oh well just put it in the Voodoo section....
That more casino's do not wake up and deal DD out of a shoe,,,then I believe we would see far more DD and maybe better rules.:)

Of course certain opportunities would be gone...................:(

CP
 

Sucker

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#17
creeping panther said:
That more casino's do not wake up and deal DD out of a shoe,,,then I believe we would see far more DD and maybe better rules.:)
The problem is; every time this has been tried, it has resulted in less popularity for the game. I guess many players - and especially ploppies, like to have the feel of cards in their hands. Even the El Cortez, which deals some of their shoes face down, has very much noticed this effect (we can thank our good friend Mr. S for that).
 

forwhat77

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#18
exgriffinman said:
Yes, it would be considered illegal if they could prove the dealer was cheating (they would have to be for no tip lose/tip win) and yes it would be considered collusion if the player kept tipping and the dealer cheated for the win. But they would definately have to rule out coincidence.

Just like at any joint that the dealers would go for their own, a wide variety of hustling, cheating and collusion would take place. but thats another story...And to respond to the rest of the thread...There are mechanics and coolers out there, But they are rare.
How rare would you say they are EGM? It seems that at least one cooler can be found at any given time especially around some of the better games here in Vegas. As well, on early AM shifts when most AP's come out to play.
I can't believe some of the others here are naive to believe that casinos do not employ this weapon in there arsenal. And as for cheating, if you are not aware of what's going on, how can you prove a casino is cheating?:whip:
 

RJT

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#19
forwhat77 said:
How rare would you say they are EGM? It seems that at least one cooler can be found at any given time especially around some of the better games here in Vegas. As well, on early AM shifts when most AP's come out to play.
So tell us how you would establish that you're playing against a cooler?

RJT.
 

shadroch

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#20
Dyepaintball12 said:
Would this be illegal? I mean I'm sure as soon as they started talking about it was then collusion, but what if he kept his mouth shut and kept tipping and kept winning?

If the dealer got busted, would the player?

Only if it happened in the real world.
 
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