Worst Dealer Mis-pay Ever

[Gamblor]

Another player at the table had a 10 and 6, v dealer 10. She hit and received a 8 for a 24. Dealer just continued on (I was dumbfounded at this point), flipping over his cards, and busting, and pays off the gal with a 24! LMAO.

What could the dealer even possibly be thinking? A 3 card 24? Nothing remotely ambigous about that hand.
Saw another mis-pay in short time I was there, where dealer payed off whole table when he had a 4 card 21 (this is a little more understandable). I don't frequent this place often, so not sure what the deal is, might be because they just expanded their table games and got a bunch of new dealers??
Lets just call this place "Gravels" casino in PA.

Anyhoo, quickly ski-daddled after going on a tear on my final shoe, going from -25 units to +60. Couldn't bear to bring myself to betting 1 unit after betting huge for last half of that shoe

 

[Severity8]

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Not saying you shouldn't take every AP option out there and learn it well but be careful if the dealer does more than one mistake per session of him on the table. You should keep your guard up. Not necessarily you, but at that point the eye may start looking at collusion between the dealer and somebody at the table and inadvertently pick up on you. Just saying don't let cousin bob to the dealer drag ya down.

Sev~

 

[geneticfreak]

Playing SP21, I watch the deal on more than one occasion pay an even money 21 like it was a bonus that paid 3-2. A few hands later she drew out to a 20, took my neighbors losing 18 and paid on my 4-card suited soft 19. I think there was one more mis-pay in the same shoe, so I took it as my cue to leave at the end, which was profitable even without the mis-pays.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

Heard a story of a dealer giving visible hints of his hole card value. Someone used it to their advantage and won hundreds. If I noticed that I would run away from the table and if I'm up, try to lose anything I won at that table so I don't get heat. When (not if) the dealer is caught, they will watch every tape to find out who is colluding. If they see me counting and winning, I would be the main suspect. Losing anything I win at that corrupt table will buy me longevity since I would not be suspected if I don't win anything, and my bankroll would be like I never sat down at that table.

 

[Gamblor]

Yes, good advice on possible collusion, get nervous if it happens too frequently. Dont want them to look too closely and notice the guy with the big stack of chicks - more often then not me

In this instance don't think it was, only happened once in an hour. The gal who got mis-payed seemed like a local, betting only 1-2 units on a low end table. Strange thing was she mentioned she was there for 10 hours straight, and she was around even. Usually ploppies get ground down during that length of time, basically flat betting.

Still can't fathom what the dealer was thinking on a 3 card 24

 

[shadroch]

I've had worse payouts. Once got paid three seperate times on the same hand.

 

[Gamblor]

I've had worse payouts. Once got paid three seperate times on the same hand.

Ha ha awesome. Best worst payout I had was 6x unit bet, when dealer and I both had 21.

Yeah, probably a better accurate title is Stupidest Dealer Mis-pay.

 

[prankster]

Last night I saw a player split Aces-the dealer hit his hand when he requested a hit, twice. The rule is this casino is and always has been split Aces get one card only.:joker:

 

[21forme]

I've had worse payouts. Once got paid three seperate times on the same hand.

That's beats me. I've gotten paid twice a few times.

Another one I liked is Surrendering, getting paid 50% of my bet from the rack, and the dealer not collecting the original bet.

 

[Joeb21]

Got one I never saw the other day. I bet 4 reds and got BJ so the dealer paid me. I collected my money and bet 3 reds for the next hand. When the dealer came around paying everyone she took 2 of my reds and gave me a green

 

[Ferretnparrot]

My most memorable error was when the dealer payed be on a push when i had bet a huge stack of green chips at 250 on the hand, this was in the early days of the pa casinos. I can recall countless times ive been mispayed on small bets I was very surprised i got away with it because usually they look twice, or double check themselves when there is a larger amount of money on the felt.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

Yes, good advice on possible collusion, get nervous if it happens too frequently. Dont want them to look too closely and notice the guy with the big stack of chicks - more often then not me

In this instance don't think it was, only happened once in an hour. The gal who got mis-payed seemed like a local, betting only 1-2 units on a low end table. Strange thing was she mentioned she was there for 10 hours straight, and she was around even. Usually ploppies get ground down during that length of time, basically flat betting.

Still can't fathom what the dealer was thinking on a 3 card 24

If you see it once, let it slide. If you see the dealer exposing his hole card intentionally twice, play like you don't know the hole card value, then immediately stop counting, keep your bet the same till you lose everything you won at the table or leave immediately if you're down. If you're not winning, you won't be a suspect. Collusion is illegal, counting is legal.

Some ploppies can be there for 10 hours straight and break even. I've had plenty of 8 hour sessions where I was going up and down, but was trending upwards because I was counting, so I was grinding a win. Most ploppies I see buy in for $100 and stay till they lose it all or till they have to leave.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

That's beats me. I've gotten paid twice a few times.

Another one I liked is Surrendering, getting paid 50% of my bet from the rack, and the dealer not collecting the original bet.

If the dealer always did that, and you got no heat, surrender every hand except BJ.

 

[Gamblor]

Got one I never saw the other day. I bet 4 reds and got BJ so the dealer paid me. I collected my money and bet 3 reds for the next hand. When the dealer came around paying everyone she took 2 of my reds and gave me a green

Well that was a strange payout. The thing I notice, it seems dealers tend to mispay you again more often then not after a blackjack (as opposed to when you bust out - probably something subconcious). Also helps when a player next to you splits pairs.

Holy crap, last time time this happened to me, idiot next to me kept asking me out loud, where the dealer could hear, "what did you have?". Wanted to tell him STFU idiot. Just said I think I had a 19

 

[Gamblor]

Actually nevermind about comment about strange payout, thought you wrote the dealer took all your reds and left you a green

Of course this further validates my point about being mispayed more often on BJ then after a bust, and it being subconscious.

 

[Gamblor]

My most memorable error was when the dealer payed be on a push when i had bet a huge stack of green chips at 250 on the hand, this was in the early days of the pa casinos. I can recall countless times ive been mispayed on small bets I was very surprised i got away with it because usually they look twice, or double check themselves when there is a larger amount of money on the felt.

Yep dealers have been getting better as of late in other PA casinos. But seems to still happen at the casino I mentioned I guess.

Yeah, same here, get mis payed often on small hands, was surprised myself when they mis-paid me my 6x unit bet (PA casino), but this probably happened because it was last hand of shoe, and there was a dealer shift going on. Dealer just wanted to get home

 

[moo321]

I've got to disagree with the other posters about running for the hills when you see a dealer mispaying. This is a strong advantage play in itself.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Yeah, I am going to give away all of my winnings because a dealer is mispaying

This is downright stupid. First, anyone intentionally losing would draw attention in itself. Second, I don't think any court in the land would consider your card counting, if they picked up on this, as evidence.

If they have a reason to suspect you, i.e. there is actual material evidence of collusion, giving the casino free money won't save you. Conversely, if there is no evidence of collusion other than the fact that you're winning, they are not going to nail you for collusion.

If more players started taking that advice and gave up all winnings upon finding a mispaying dealer, and I ran a casino, I'd hire a few of them on purpose! :laugh:

I am sorry to be nasty about it but that is really among the worst advice I have read on here. Merely not returning erroneous payouts is not grounds to bust you for collusion.

Also note that reading a dealer's hole card is not illegal. It is the house's responsibility to protect the hole card.

If you really don't feel comfortable in such situations, that's fine, take what you have and leave. Just go. But for christ's sake there is no reason to give back your winnings. Again, downright stupid.

 

[moo321]

I am sorry to be nasty about it but that is really among the worst advice I have read on here. Merely not returning erroneous payouts is not grounds to bust you for collusion.

Also note that reading a dealer's hole card is not illegal. It is the house's responsibility to protect the hole card.

If you really don't feel comfortable in such situations, that's fine, take what you have and leave. Just go. But for christ's sake there is no reason to give back your winnings. Again, downright stupid.

Strongly agree on all 3 points. The only time I'd run is if it looked like a dealer was dumping to a specific player.

i.e. Only the guy at 1st base is getting paid with 19 vs. 20, or the dealer is flashing his card to that guy on purpose. Sometimes they will flash the index on the next card to an accomplice as a cheating move, and I would run like hell if I saw that.

 

[MangoJ]

If you suspect collusion on the table, just leave the table. Simple as that. If you're not part of the collusion, there can't be any evidence.