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[leshead]

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

 

[ScottH]

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

I've heard some people say stop when you are up or down 40 units. And keep your sessions around 45 min to an hour. It all depends on what you think you can get away with, but those are some recomendations that I have heard.

 

[Cass]

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

Mathematically stop points are meaningless. Think about it this way... If you are sitting at a poker table playing with world class pro's. after a short time you are kicking there butts even though you are outmatched you would probably want to get the hell outta there!... But if you are a world class poker player player with a bunch of slouches and you are getting your butt kicked you would want to keep playing because you just KNOW that things will turn around eventually.... Bottom line is if you have the advantage keep playing and never stop. If you dont get out of there and run!

Back to your question... me personally i dont ever like to leave down unless my trip BR has really tanked or it has just been a marathon of gambling not really getting anywhere. You should bring your whole BR with you when you go because you dont want to be in a situation that you are leaving because you lost too much, and can't afford to get it back. You should leave on a negative shoe, never leave on a positive shoe. Playing at those stakes you shouldnt have any heat so i wouldnt worry about keeping your sessions short. If you want to have some type of stop point... I would suggest maybe when you win $200 (way above ev) wait until the next negative count or the end of the shoe and then leave, but like i said in the long run it doesnt matter.

 

[ScottH]

Mathematically stop points are meaningless. Think about it this way... If you are sitting at a poker table playing with world class pro's. after a short time you are kicking there butts even though you are outmatched you would probably want to get the hell outta there!... But if you are a world class poker player player with a bunch of slouches and you are getting your butt kicked you would want to keep playing because you just KNOW that things will turn around eventually.... Bottom line is if you have the advantage keep playing and never stop. If you dont get out of there and run!

Back to your question... me personally i dont ever like to leave down unless my trip BR has really tanked or it has just been a marathon of gambling not really getting anywhere. You should bring your whole BR with you when you go because you dont want to be in a situation that you are leaving because you lost too much, and can't afford to get it back. You should leave on a negative shoe, never leave on a positive shoe. Playing at those stakes you shouldnt have any heat so i wouldnt worry about keeping your sessions short. If you want to have some type of stop point... I would suggest maybe when you win $200 (way above ev) wait until the next negative count or the end of the shoe and then leave, but like i said in the long run it doesnt matter.

Exactly. Stopping early up or down doesn't make since if you're playing a good game. The 45 min to an hour time restraint is just to avoid detection as long as possible.

 

[E-town-guy]

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

Your ev is about $6-7/hr so you are one of the last people in the world the casino is worried about. Leave when you get bored.

There is no real need to bring $1000 with you, $600 should see you weather most negative bounces.

 

[ScottH]

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

I think you need more than a 1000 BR to play with a 40 dollar topBet. Unless you are adding money to your bankroll every so often.

 

[leshead]

thanks for the advice people

 

[Cass]

There is no real need to bring $1000 with you, $600 should see you weather most negative bounces.

That is only 15 top bets.... His trip ROR would probably be around 10%. I've lost more than 15 big bets a few timeS! BRing it all, you dont want to go bust!

 

[leshead]

actually what would my risk of ruin be playing a 6 deck game? 200 units?($5-$40 bet spread)($1000 bank)

 

[tedloc]

Walk away a winner

How much do you think is a good amount to walk away from a table for the night both up and down.
personally at the moment im using a 1000 bank with 5-40 bet spread in a 6 deck game
how much up should i stop at and how much down should i stop at or shold i play for like 45mins and stop whatever im left with?

I don't think anyone can give you a magic walk away number. Many years ago an old timer gave me a few hints. "When you get to winning, be sure to color up your chips. If you have 100 red chips in front of you and get on a losing streak, the next time you look, you have only 10 left. If you had colored up (50 red and 10 green), you have to go through a mental process, when you ask for change on your green chips. You will probably walk away much sooner from that situation. He also told me that just because you walk away a winner from table #1, it doesn't count unless you go home. If, when you first sit down and get up $400 in 20 minutes, why would you walk away to another table after waiting 15 or 20 minutes. Pull your winnings off the table, into your pocket. Don't go back into that pocket until you get home.

 

[Cass]

actually what would my risk of ruin be playing a 6 deck game? 200 units?($5-$40 bet spread)($1000 bank)

I just made some very general assumptions about the game in question, but you lifetime ROR is actually 62%. If you avoid negative counts it would help a lot. You are only getting .5-.75% advantage with a 1-8 spread and play all. Good news is yours TRIP ROR is less than 1% for four hours of play. As someone mentioned earlier.. you dont need to bring all $1,000, your ROR on 600 is 4%. IF you want to eliminate all chance of going bust bring it all!!

 

[ScottH]

I just made some very general assumptions about the game in question, but you lifetime ROR is actually 62%. If you avoid negative counts it would help a lot. You are only getting .5-.75% advantage with a 1-8 spread and play all. Good news is yours TRIP ROR is less than 1% for four hours of play. As someone mentioned earlier.. you dont need to bring all $1,000, your ROR on 600 is 4%. IF you want to eliminate all chance of going bust bring it all!!

Lifetime ROR is 62%! You might want to add a little more to the BR. If you had 2000 the ROR would probably be around 15-20%.

 

[leshead]

what about if i had a bet spread of $5 in one box-$50 in two boxes? what would my advantage be and what bank would you recomend? i just lost $600 yesterday

 

[Cass]

what about if i had a bet spread of $5 in one box-$50 in two boxes? what would my advantage be and what bank would you recomend? i just lost $600 yesterday

This would be considered a 1-20 spread. Your advantage would be just over 1%. ev $15/hr. With a 7k BR your lifetime ROR is around 10%. you would probably want to at least have 10k for you total BR. You lost 600 with a $40 top bet? thats pretty rough! You should get John Auston's BJRM 2002.

 

[Sonny]

what about if i had a bet spread of $5 in one box-$50 in two boxes? what would my advantage be and what bank would you recomend? i just lost $600 yesterday

Read Don Schlesinger's Blackjack Attack. It has chapters on ROR, proper bet sizing, bankroll sizing, playing multiple hands, different backcounting strategies, and many other important topics. It also has an entire chapter with charts of the different win rates and RORs for different bet spreads and games. It is essential reading for every serious BJ player.

-Sonny-